PureX
Veteran Member
There is no indication that the Republican Party is willing to abandon him. So I expect they will all become his willing accomplices in bilking everyone they can on his behalf.
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Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.
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Yes, all Trump's diplomatic moves were groundbreaking in their way.
Just wondering what your mental roadblock here is. Is it that you don't understand that what Trump and his company did was illegal, or do you understand that it was illegal but think that the law should be different?
It's way smaller than 76%.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Specifically, he got a loan from a bank using fraudulent information.
Are you okay with the use of fraud to secure loans?
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As always...
High hopes & low expectations.
Laniakea said:
Actually, more than 2 out of every 3 rapes goes unreported. So according to your logic, nobody "claimed to have been wronged," so there was no crime.
Pretty sad attitude, I must say.
Full agreement requires a "meeting of the minds".
By misrepresenting the value of his pledged security,
there wasn't a common understanding.
Fraud isn't a crime like a "stickup".
But it's till a crime.
The lender suffered a loss by charging a lower
interest rate than would be appropriate, even if
losses from default didn't happen.
And don't forget that every sale will
result in capital gains tax liability.
The more he sells, the more he owes.
It's the gift that keeps on giving, eh.
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False according to the evidence, ie,
documents & independent valuations.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Take a survey of everyone involved in the prosecution, and see who donated to the DNC or who were appointments of DEI. No DNC appointee; entered for election or directly appointed via DEI would still have a job, if they helped Trump. The Left plays dirty and they will eat their own, if they do not hold the party line. This is easy math.
There is still the Appeal process, so no money will be exchanged, just yet. This timing appears to be connected to Biden family interviews for corruption and tax evasion, that are coming up in a few weeks. The Trump verdict could go away, if Trump calls off the dogs. I think Trump will let the cards ride for the appeal process, delay, and hope to run out the clock.
Interestingly, the logic of the Trump Business conviction, if applied to Government, could get Biden and his crew the boot and stuck with huge fines and not allow to do Government for years. Illegal Immigration, relative to laws on the books, has cheated the America people of $100's of billion of dollars in costs, way worse that what Trump is accused. A good legal strategy will be to apply this line of reasoning to the Biden administration which, based on the rigged injustice system, will get shut down. Then Trump can use that as a defense. This can be similar to how senile Joe Biden will not be tried for the classified documents, he had for years, in un-secure places. What good for gander.
The criminals in the State of Delaware, injustice system, recently used political bias and influence to renege on an Elon Musk payment deal, that had been in play for years, connected to his lead investment and R&D role in the electric car movement. He was the darling of the Left, until he bought Twitter and made their censorship harder. Musk was also starting to seem more biased toward the right. So the Criminals on the Left, before the election, called in favors and used the State of Delaware, to political punch him in his wallet. We now have at least one Banana Republic Lefty State and a Banana Republic Federal Government. This is not how Democracy works, if that is important to the Left. They may not even know what a Democracy is. That is not it. Democracy needs honest and integrity to work.
This will and is already is backfiring on the State of Delaware. Delaware "was' the best State for companies to incorporate due to Delaware being world known for being fair, loyal, objective, and business friendly. But now there is a business movement away from Delaware, due to the uncertainty and risk of blackmail, caused by the Political Left's Banana Republic Influence. If the Left wants Democracy more than just Trump payback, then this is not the way. This can only get worse, if not opposed, early.
NYC is already hemorrhaging business due to high taxes and the retro COVID work from home standard, that has a caused real estate problem in many large cities; companies are abandoning real estate. NYC, after Delaware, may be next in terms of business leaving, even faster, less the Banana Republic of NY, target you with their Banana Republic shakedown, to make up for their impending tax shortfalls. Florida, Texas and many other states are better places to go. This election interference by NYC and NY State, could kill NYC and/or turn it Red for restructuring; return to a trusted business environment.
The Left is so nervous about losing in 2024. Desperate times could kill NYC and other places as the months pass.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The charge of fraud depends on the assumption that the deal that Trump made with the banks was a zero sum game. While what Trump did wasn't fair, if the value that the banks obtained from the deal exceeded the the liability of the exposure to risk then there were no victims and therefore no fraud.
What a wild take.
He lied to get a reduced price for a service. It's not really that different from this couple who went to prison over their $31 million counterfeit coupon racket.
Since the judge's decision came down yesterday Trump owes another $142,857 in interest. A smart businessman would pay his debt faster.
Trump needs to pay his debts.
Will @wellwisher send Trump any of his hard-earned money to the corrupt "billionaire"?
Trump needs to pay his debts.
Will @wellwisher send Trump any of his hard-earned money to the corrupt "billionaire"?
So no black people. Should these people only pick cotton in the fields of Republicans (for reduced wages, of course)?
In the USA all citizens are guaranteed freedom and liberty despite the many racists that still exist, and vote. That policies and laws have to exist to offset racism is an indication that many, mostly conserrvatives, have not moved on since the era of slavery.
Why would a person involved with the DNC support a corrupt and criminal candidate?
And how do you deyermine if a person is appointed through DEI and not on their merits as an educated person? Is it just skin color?
Right, diversity, equality, and inclusion is dirty to racists, as we observe.
Most rational minds on the planet is worried about an unstable and disturbed man like Trump being elected again. If he is it will be due to winning only a minority of votes, again. Trump's disturbing and overly emotional rants is a concern for allies and citizens everywhere.
Trump continues to be a joke candidate that conservatuves take seriously.
Supporting Trump requires complete failure
to understand how commercial lending works.
to understand how commercial lending works.
He's the innocent victim of a vast left wing conspiracy.
Yet another example of persecution of Christians.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It's not wrong.
That's not the same thing as fraud.
No, the difference is that using counterfeit coupons only takes value from those who redeem them - there's no benefit that could outweigh the loss that they made on those transactions.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
You don't have the first clue about it.