Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

[Revoltingest]

I can only imagine what it's like to be one of Trump's lawyers trying to argue for him, all the while knowing that he's going to undermine his case to the judge with all the ridiculous crap he posts on social media.

Trump causing more legal woes for himself
means more boat payments for his lawyers.

Know the definition of a successful lawyer?
The client's check cleared.

 

[Laniakea]

People often pay bondsmen to put up the money.
In Trump's case, his history of not paying what he
owes likely inspired no one to post a bond.
He's a poor credit risk.

No bondsman has been asked to come up with a bond for more than $100 million, let alone $454 million.
Just another reason the amount was excessive.

 

[McBell]

No bondsman has been asked to come up with a bond for more than $100 million, let alone $454 million.
Just another reason the amount was excessive.

Wrong:

7. Christopher Williams -- $100 million UD​

6. Kenning Ma -- $150 Million​

5. Julius Mein - $129 Million​

4. Dmitry Firtash – $174 million (125 million Euro)​

3. Kim Freeman -- $1 Billion​

2. Subrata Roy -- $1.6 Billion​

1. Robert Dust -- $3 Billion​

Some of the highest bail bonds ever set

In this article, we share cases where a judge has insanely set a high bail that forms some of the highest bail bonds ever set in the history of bail bonds.

www.mikesnappbailbonds.com

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The Highest Bail Bond Amounts Ever Paid in America

You won't believe some of the insane amounts set by judges for high profile cases, including Donald Trump, Sam Bankman-Fried & Bernie Madoff

southernbailbonds.com

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I can only imagine what it's like to be one of Trump's lawyers trying to argue for him, all the while knowing that he's going to undermine his case to the judge with all the ridiculous crap he posts on social media.

Agreed. The job is not to successfully defend Trump, because that's impossible, since he's both provably guilty and shoots himself in the foot when he opens his mouth. The job is to ride that bucking bronco for as long as one can without being fired and to accrue as many billable hours as possible without going to jail and without being sanctioned or disbarred.

Also, to become better known, but only if it's fame without infamy:

I would hope that they're being well-paid to put up with this crap, but I have a feeling that Trump will stiff them on their bills, too.

Anybody working for Trump on credit should expect to be stiffed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No bondsman has been asked to come up with a bond for more than $100 million, let alone $454 million.
Just another reason the amount was excessive.

Show me the math. I can link the judges decision for you again. Do you realize that this was not a fine. It was not a punishment for breaking the law. This has been explained to you multiple times. The judges decision will also explain it to you. You should read it. I have not read the whole thing, long and legalese and I will probably fall asleep. But I can pick some areas to read and understand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Agreed. The job is not to successfully defend Trump, because that's impossible, since he's both provably guilty and shoots himself in the foot when he opens his mouth. The job is to ride that bucking bronco for as long as one can without being fired and to accrue as many billable hours as possible without going to jail and without being sanctioned or disbarred.

Also, to become better known, but only if it's fame without infamy:

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Anybody working for Trump on credit should expect to be stiffed.

Trump is very good at one thing. He loses almost all of his legal cases, when they go through them to the end, but he is a master at getting cases delayed. For the people that he refused to pay. For the businesses that he cheated, continuing legal fees were too much for them. That appears to be his goal for as many criminal cases as possible. He figures that if he wins the election he can at the very least put all of those cases on hold for four more years.

 

[Revoltingest]

No bondsman has been asked to come up with a bond for more than $100 million, let alone $454 million.
Just another reason the amount was excessive.

He could use more than one.
But again, he's a poor credit risk.

The way to avoid such huge payments
to courts is to never commit such
big crimes in the first place.

 

[Pogo]

No bondsman has been asked to come up with a bond for more than $100 million, let alone $454 million.
Just another reason the amount was excessive.

Here's three for you.

3. Kim Freeman -- $1 Billion​

In 2005, Mr. Freeman was arrested along with three accomplices who were alleged to have been running a brothel. The prosecutor’s team assistant contend that Freeman is a flight risk and that once he can post bail, he will run since Freeman and the rest of the gang are from Asia and have many connections that would facilitate his escape. Thus, the judge overseeing the case set his bail at a staggering sum of $1 Billion.

2. Subrata Roy -- $1.6 Billion​

Held and charged for contempt of court, Mr. Roy, the CEO of the Indian conglomerate, Sahara was slammed with a $1.6 Billion in bail to secure his release from jail. Roy was held and charged for failing to comply with a court directive ordering him to payback some money to investors in a bond scheme that was later ruled to be illegal. The bail amount is on record as the largest ever in India.

1. Robert Dust -- $3 Billion​

Heir to New York real estate, Robert Dust was arrested and charged with the murder of his 71 years old close neighbor, Morris Black, but was later acquitted that same year. However, he was held in prison for a single count of bail jumping and two counts of tampering with evidence. These cause the trial judge to set Dust bail at $1billion for being a flight risk, and another $2 billion was added for tampering with evidence, bringing the total to $3 billion. However, Dust bail was later reduced by an appeal court, stating the bail was being used to oppress the defendant. Nonetheless, it remains the highest and most insane bail bond in history.

Conclusion​

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And lots more like Martha Stewart for 250 million, and she put up property to cover her's.

 

[Stevicus]

Trump is very good at one thing. He loses almost all of his legal cases, when they go through them to the end, but he is a master at getting cases delayed. For the people that he refused to pay. For the businesses that he cheated, continuing legal fees were too much for them. That appears to be his goal for as many criminal cases as possible. He figures that if he wins the election he can at the very least put all of those cases on hold for four more years.

If he wins the election, I think he would probably try to do more than just put those cases on hold.

I was listening to a caller on a radio show the other day, and he was painting it as Trump was "sacrificing his whole fortune" fighting the swamp, and saying that it must mean that "Trump loves America" so much. There's an attitude of pure entrenchment in the air. I also heard Kari Lake talking "America First" this, "America First" that. If Trump wins the election with a GOP-controlled House and Senate - and a Trump-friendly Supreme Court to boot - all these cases against him will likely wither into dust.

 

[Laniakea]

Show me the math. I can link the judges decision for you again. Do you realize that this was not a fine. It was not a punishment for breaking the law. This has been explained to you multiple times. The judges decision will also explain it to you. You should read it. I have not read the whole thing, long and legalese and I will probably fall asleep. But I can pick some areas to read and understand.

If the money is being paid to the government rather than an individual or business that claimed to have suffered loss, then it's a fine.

 

[Copernicus]

If the money is being paid to the government rather than an individual or business that claimed to have suffered loss, then it's a fine.

Business losses get used by businesses to lower taxes, so the taxpayer is the ultimate loser in all of Trump's scams. However, disgorgement is based on the principle that the fraudsters should not be allowed to profit from their gains. Trump himself has taken so many business losses that he can use tax write-offs from past losses to cancel out most of his tax liability for years now. Of course, it is now clear that reported losses were not always real losses. He lied to the tax collectors in order to cheat the public out of what he owed, meaning that the difference had to be made up by tax payers who didn't cheat.

 

[Laniakea]

Business losses get used by businesses to lower taxes, so the taxpayer is the ultimate loser in all of Trump's scams. However, disgorgement is based on the principle that the fraudsters should not be allowed to profit from their gains. Trump himself has taken so many business losses that he can use tax write-offs from past losses to cancel out most of his tax liability for years now. Of course, it is now clear that reported losses were not always real losses. He lied to the tax collectors in order to cheat the public out of what he owed, meaning that the difference had to be made up by tax payers who didn't cheat.

Which is another way of saying that the government is where the money is going. It's a fine, even though people keep looking for ways to say it's not.
Also, saying, "No, it's not going to the government, it's going to the people" doesn't work. The government could seize peoples' wealth at any time then and claim that the government and the people are the same, and therefore nothing is being seized from the people.

 

[Copernicus]

Which is another way of saying that the government is where the money is going. It's a fine, even though people keep looking for ways to say it's not.
Also, saying, "No, it's not going to the government, it's going to the people" doesn't work. The government could seize peoples' wealth at any time then and claim that the government and the people are the same, and therefore nothing is being seized from the people.

As Republican President Abraham Lincoln once said, our government is "of the people, by the people, and for the people". Money paid to the government goes to fund public business. Much of the fraud committed by Trump has cost the government a lot of money, including all of the trials that he has generated. So it makes sense that the money go to the people's government, since people who don't cheat have to pay more in taxes because of what fraudsters get away with. You write as if you believe that those who become wealthy by defrauding the government should be allowed to keep the money that they gained illegally. You don't even realize that Trump has victimized you as well as other taxpayers. Oh, well. The man is nothing if not a confidence man. He seems to have gained your confidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the money is being paid to the government rather than an individual or business that claimed to have suffered loss, then it's a fine.

Really? Since when did you get to be an expert in the law? Your turn to support your claim. You need to show that a disgorgement is a fine if the money goes to the government. Your source has to specifically mention disgorgement since the sources I have found indicate that it is not a fine.

 

[F1fan]

Ok

Which is another way of saying that the government is where the money is going. It's a fine, even though people keep looking for ways to say it's not.
Also, saying, "No, it's not going to the government, it's going to the people" doesn't work. The government could seize peoples' wealth at any time then and claim that the government and the people are the same, and therefore nothing is being seized from the people.

That might be the case in authoritarian governments, like what Trump wants to create for his own benefit, but that's not the case in America as it is currently.

Trump should have followed the laws. Or he should have never gotten into politics where candidates lives gets scrutinized heavily. If he had just stuck to reality tv I doubt his life would be the total **** it is today. He brought it all on himself. Some call it karma.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which is another way of saying that the government is where the money is going. It's a fine, even though people keep looking for ways to say it's not.
Also, saying, "No, it's not going to the government, it's going to the people" doesn't work. The government could seize peoples' wealth at any time then and claim that the government and the people are the same, and therefore nothing is being seized from the people.

It does not matter where it goes. As I told you and explained to you in the past, it is a disgorgement and not a fine. If you refuse to understand what that is that is not my problem.

But one of the ways that Trump could win his appeal is to show that the money taken back from him was greater than the money that he made, plus interest.

You keep claiming that it is a fine, but can never find any sources that support that a disgorgement is a fee, where I have posted at least one article that explained how disgorgements cannot be used as a fine.

If you fail to find an article that specifically says that a disgorgement is a fine and own up to that fact I will post the article for you where it says that disgorgement cannot be used as a fine. The judge over Trump's case knows this far better than either of us do so there is not apt to be such an error in his judgement.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the money is being paid to the government rather than an individual or business that claimed to have suffered loss, then it's a fine.

Repeating a claim that you cannot support after having been told to support it does not help you.

 

[metis]

Wrong:

7. Christopher Williams -- $100 million UD​

6. Kenning Ma -- $150 Million​

5. Julius Mein - $129 Million​

4. Dmitry Firtash – $174 million (125 million Euro)​

3. Kim Freeman -- $1 Billion​

2. Subrata Roy -- $1.6 Billion​

1. Robert Dust -- $3 Billion​

Some of the highest bail bonds ever set

In this article, we share cases where a judge has insanely set a high bail that forms some of the highest bail bonds ever set in the history of bail bonds.

www.mikesnappbailbonds.com

​

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The Highest Bail Bond Amounts Ever Paid in America

You won't believe some of the insane amounts set by judges for high profile cases, including Donald Trump, Sam Bankman-Fried & Bernie Madoff

southernbailbonds.com

Ah, but you gotta remember that they're getting their "evidence" from Fox, NewsMax, Breitbart, etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good news! Trump doesn't need to sell off any properties. He's announced publicly that he has more than enough ready cash to pay the whole amount.

Trump Claims He Has Nearly $500 Million In Cash—As His Lawyers Insist He Can’t Pay NY Fraud Judgement

The statement marks a reversal from Trump’s statements Monday that he does not have the cash to pay the bond and can’t find any companies to secure it for him.

www.forbes.com

Trump may be in for a windfall. He has a shady stock deal that could possibly net him billions. Looking at the evaluation it appears to be another scam:

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240116446/trump-truth-social-dwac-stock-listing-legal-troubles

But saying that he will have the money on Monday would be a gross overstatement.

 

[Pogo]

Trump may be in for a windfall. He has a shady stock deal that could possibly net him billions. Looking at the evaluation it appears to be another scam:

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240116446/trump-truth-social-dwac-stock-listing-legal-troubles

But saying that he will have the money on Monday would be a gross overstatement.

The truth social / Trump media will only be worth something while MAGAt prop it up, as a business proposition it has already demonstrated itself to be a loss leader profit wise though Musk could buy it just to support Trump.