Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

[Subduction Zone]

To make demands one has to be honest. You were the one that did not understand the explanation that everyone else understood. That pretty much makes it your fault.

Thank you for mimicking me and therefore admitting that you were wrong. You did not like it when your nonsense was fed back to you. And to mimic me you are merely admitting that I was right. I love a win win situation.

Do you know how you could "win". Debate properly. When your claims are shown to be wrong own up to it and try again. Sooner or later you will get it.

 

[Laniakea]

Thank you for mimicking me and therefore admitting that you were wrong. You did not like it when your nonsense was fed back to you. And to mimic me you are merely admitting that I was right. I love a win win situation.

Do you know how you could "win". Debate properly. When your claims are shown to be wrong own up to it and try again. Sooner or later you will get it.

Nope, that's not the way proper debate works.
Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope, that's not the way proper debate works.
Try again.

LOL!! You jumped the shark a long time ago in that regard.

 

[Laniakea]

LOL!! You jumped the shark a long time ago in that regard.

Oh my! If you want me to explain your error to you, all you need to do is politely ask, and then it will be explained to you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my! If you want me to explain your error to you, all you need to do is politely ask, and then it will be explained to you.

More mimicking. Thank you for admitting that I was right.

 

[Laniakea]

More mimicking. Thank you for admitting that I was right.

Oh my, more falsehoods. I hate putting people on ignore. But you tempt me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my, more falsehoods. I hate putting people on ignore. But you tempt me.

LOL! Thank you.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Live updates: Trump ordered to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

A judge has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million in a ruling in the New York civil fraud case. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

" A judge has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million in a ruling"

"The former president is also barred from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in the state for three years, and he cannot apply for loans from any financial institution registered in New York for three years. Meanwhile, his adult sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, have been ordered to pay $4 million for their personal profits from the fraud."

As was expected.

I support Trump on this one.If he had an affair with Stormy Daniels that is his business.If he did not that's his business.The fact he paid hush money is no proof he had an affair.On Wall Street many people including evangelicals have affairs,get divorced multiple times and meet with prostitutes.

Trouble is legally it is cheaper to settle these cases.How one does the bookkeeping is no big deal.A lot of people have said Trump looks beat and exhausted -which might be the whole idea.

Both Democrats and Republicans have leaders caught with their pants down

Why is this trial coming out now? before election time.

If Trump,Ms Marjorie Taylor Greene etc are going to be criticized it should be for the substantial eg kneeling to Putin over Ukraine.The money USA sends means Russia burns up arms and money.Its threat is reduced.We need to be watchful for sleepers who wake to espouse the Russian agenda.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I support Trump on this one.If he had an affair with Stormy Daniels that is his business.If he did not that's his business.The fact he paid hush money is no proof he had an affair.On Wall Street many people including evangelicals have affairs,get divorced multiple times and meet with prostitutes.

Trouble is legally it is cheaper to settle these cases.How one does the bookkeeping is no big deal.A lot of people have said Trump looks beat and exhausted -which might be the whole idea.

Both Democrats and Republicans have leaders caught with their pants down

Why is this trial coming out now? before election time.

If Trump,Ms Marjorie Taylor Greene etc are going to be criticized it should be for the substantial eg kneeling to Putin over Ukraine.The money USA sends means Russia burns up arms and money.Its threat is reduced.We need to be watchful for sleepers who wake to espouse the Russian agenda.

The problem is that during election campaigns funds must be well accounted for. And he still broke the law, even if it was not a campaign but it would be a minor one. It is the combination that moves it up to a felony. For example it would be illegal to pay off a mistress using money from that business and listing it as a "business expense". That would make it tax deductible etc.. He could have paid her off, but you cannot count it as a legitimate business expense.

When one does that as part of a campaign to get elected then it is even worse. One has to call it a campaign expense, and that was never done. The combination of the two makes it a form of money laundering for a political campaign. That is a big no no.

Is having an affair illegal? No. Is paying off a mistress illegal? No. But it is clearly illegal to rob a bank to pay off a mistress. I am not saying that was the case at all, but you can see how that would be illegal. And in the same vein it is illegal to try to get a tax deduction on the payment to the mistress. There is no legitimate "mistress pay off category" for tax deductions.

 

[fantome profane]

I support Trump on this one.

This one? I think you are confused about which one "this one" is. It is understandable, as there are so many. But you are replying to my op and the link that are about Trump's bank fraud. Nothing to do with the porn star, or the playboy playmate, or hush money, or the National Enquirer, or campaign finance. The case that this thread is about is over and Trump was found liable and needs to pay. We should be hearing soon if the bond he put up for appeal is good or not. Personally I think that case was decided correctly as Trump has a history of deception. But I have no opinion as to whether the bond he put up should be accepted or not.


As for the Stormy matter, @Subduction Zone is right, if the money was paid for the purpose of helping Donald's political chances without declaring it so, that is illegal. But as I said, that is not what "this one" is about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This one? I think you are confused about which one "this one" is. It is understandable, as there are so many. But you are replying to my op and the link that are about Trump's bank fraud. Nothing to do with the porn star, or the playboy playmate, or hush money, or the National Enquirer, or campaign finance. The case that this thread is about is over and Trump was found liable and needs to pay. We should be hearing soon if the bond he put up for appeal is good or not. Personally I think that case was decided correctly as Trump has a history of deception. But I have no opinion as to whether the bond he put up should be accepted or not.


As for the Stormy matter, @Subduction Zone is right, if the money was paid fro the purpose of helping Donald's political chances without declaring it so, that is illegal. But as I said, that is not what "this one" is about.

Dang it! I did not look at which thread this was in.

 

[Sinful Hypocrite]

How about his conviction? I think he'll escape it by appealing it, as it's shown here.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Further evidence that these cases are politically motivated to try to keep him from winning the presidency.
It'll backfire, just as the indictments did--and will get him even more support.

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

No one in their right mind wants to see these type of people in power and its coming apparent that Trump is indeed in the lead.

 

[McBell]

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

No one in their right mind wants to see these type of people in power and its coming apparent that Trump is indeed in the lead.

I take it you are hoping the third time's the charm?

What I think would be awesome is for Trump to win the Popular vote and lose the Electoral College vote.

Seems fitting seeing as his first run he lost the Popular vote and won the Electoral College vote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

No one in their right mind wants to see these type of people in power and its coming apparent that Trump is indeed in the lead.

Until Trump was put on trial for his obvious crimes you used to complain that the powerful are never prosecuted. Now that it is rather obvious that he will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison if he loses you have made the false claim of "lawfare".

 

[Twilight Hue]

I take it you are hoping the third time's the charm?

What I think would be awesome is for Trump to win the Popular vote and lose the Electoral College vote.

Seems fitting seeing as his first run he lost the Popular vote and won the Electoral College vote.

It's the way the founding fathers set up this country and I would love to see Trump win both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

Are you including E. Jean Carroll among the Democrats waging lawfare against Trump?

I don't believe that we're seeing anything other than a criminal being indicted by impartial grand juries for obvious crimes and sued for various torts, several cases of which he has already lost in verdicts given by impartial petit juries, but even if you were correct, so what? If the Democrats can convince juries to convict Trump to keep him out of power - a hairbrained plan since the country is heavily populated with people who don't seem to care if he's a criminal and will vote for him anyway - then literally, more power to them.

Trump and MAGA Republicans are judged by a different standard than people who respect the Constitution and the rule of law, and if it is possible to neutralize them and dirty tricks are required - the kind one would consider immoral if applied to like-minded people with shared values and agendas - go for it. MAGA is an enemy of America as surely as Putin is and is entitled to no more forbearance than he is. If you're going to attack your country or support those who do, you should expect to be viewed and treated the same as foreign enemies.

So, you'll get no sympathy here complaining about how unfairly Trump is being treated - not that you need to, since along with how much he hates assorted people and classes of people, and his unhinged rants about sharks, electrocution, and cannibals, that's just about all he talks about.

One can't be unfair to a person who has never been fair to others in his life. Here's fair: Trump ends up in prison for the rest of his life, broke, and humiliated - the vengeance he wants for others who criticize or defy him - and in a perpetual demented cloud of rage and grievance as well as the kind of fear for his life that he likes to create for others.

You might call that unkind or unnecessary, but you can't call it unfair. Unfair would be him being free and living well.

 

[F1fan]

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

How? Explain what you mean by lawfare.

Give us actual examples of democrats engaging in lawfare, and is unethical. You suggest it is happening to multiple opponents, so show us your evidence.

No one in their right mind wants to see these type of people in power and its coming apparent that Trump is indeed in the lead.

If you are basing your claim on the polls, that is dubious.

 

[wellwisher]

How is this "evidence"? I do not think that you understand the concept. How was the judge wrong? You need to be specific in your claims.

This was a victimless crime. There was nobody who complained or came forth claiming to be a victim. It was the State of NY, that invented this victimless "crime", that had no victim, except its target; Trump.

Trump is a witch to the radial Left and he needed to be burnt at the stake; Trump derangement syndrome. Most people will see the injustice, and will support Trump, since this is the behavior of third world dictators and their kangaroo courts.

If I recall, they had top NY Bankers as witnesses, and none complained since they all said, everyone applying for loans, will put their plan and their best foot forward, which is why all banks have their own people to process the loans.

Recently, Elon Musk had been offered a large bonus, by the Federal Government, if he met milestones with respect to the electric car industry. Musk performed his end of the contract, but the Biden Administration, renegade on the bonus deal. Can Elon Musk sue for this fraudulent misrepresentation? This case has a victim who has a contract. That was another example of law fare, due to Musk leaving the DNC due to their 2020 crime wave. Musk is spending his money getting out the vote for Trump.

• Musk created petition as part of America PAC, a political action group he created to support former President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election. The SpaceX CEO has said he is offering $1 million daily to a randomly selected registered voter who signs the petition supporting the First and Second Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Democrats already are showing the world their spite and willingness to engage in lawfare at their political opponents.

Who? Where?

No one in their right mind wants to see these type of people in power and its coming apparent that Trump is indeed in the lead.

Who? People who hold criminals accountable for their actions?

Oh, I forgot, MAGA stopped caring about that when Trump was caught committing crimes. Now they don't care about law and order anymore.