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Trump Plans Mars Colony With Musk

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I just said it won't happen during the next President's term.

But eventually it will happen. We will get there. We just are in no position to make it happen during the next President's term.

We’re not going to Mars. The only way in which “We will get there” is through the process which has already started; remote exploration via increasingly sophisticated technologies, which will not require humans to leave the earth. The prospect of manned space flight beyond the earth’s immediate environment is a nonsense. I know NASA is one of the bodies which is propagating the fantasy, but NASA scientists are certainly aware that it is just that, a fantasy; albeit one which attracts considerable public attention, thereby sustaining the public appetite for exploration which will be done by scientists on earth using technology in space.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, since everything that has an effect will also have side-effects -- what are your suggestions for what so many believe are America's economic ills?
- Raise capital gains tax, but indexed to remove taxation
on inflation, ie, the decline in value of the dollar.
- No separate tax rates for different professions, ie, waiters
shouldn't have most of their income exempt from taxation.
I once made pizzas in a restaurant. We already were paid
much less than waiters. Why should we pay full tax on
our meager income, when they don't, eh.
- Eliminate deductions that cause more problems than
benefits, eg, homeowner deductions that distort the
market. Why subsidize them instead of renters, eh.
The inflation that everybody hated so much was the result of government throwing lifelines to millions of individuals and thousands of businesses. Inflation was the side-effect. If it had not been done, quite literally millions would have lost income, homes, property, hope.
Inflation never got that high during the period you cited.
Also, government refused to renegotiate troubled loans
in its lending arms, which comprise the largest residential
lending group in the world, eg, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.
Government could've saved many without spending a dime
if it just did what private lenders did, ie, renegotiate troubled
loans instead of foreclosing.
Would that have been better? It seems to me to be a fact that America has recovered from the financial wreckage of the pandemic better than most countries around the world, and after a not-terribly-long time, inflation is back close to normal -- and the job market didn't fall apart. That's a pretty soft landing.
It didn't have to be as bad as it was. Trump's paying people
to not work was expensive to taxpayers, & ruined businesses.
I've covered other policies that were obviously bad at the time.
Humanity's most laughable trait, when faced with calamity: "Somebody should do something," followed very closely by, "but not that!"
Or followed by doing something stupid, because
doing the wrong thing is at least doing something.
That's probably why decent leaders are so few and far between.
They're few because the selection process
favors lying panderers like Trump & Harris.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
It didn't have to be as bad as it was. Trump's paying people
to not work was expensive to taxpayers, & ruined businesses.
I've covered other policies that were obviously bad at the time.
Most of your suggesetions are on the agendas of neither Trump nor Harris, so can't see the advantage of one over the other -- if these are the only criteria. Therefore, the best one can do is look at the rest of the package.

As to the above, chemo-therapy often results in remission of cancer and the saving of life -- often at the cost of much nausea and hair loss, among other side effects. But those side effects, however unpleasant, seem somehow superior to likely death without them. I suggest the same is true of the money used to keep millions of individuals afloat and able to pay for rent and food, and keep a lot of business afloat. That was most certainly true in Canada -- although there were indeed some businesses that never did re-open. Even the best government, like the best doctor, can't cure all ills.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Most of your suggesetions are on the agendas of neither Trump nor Harris......
Such as....
....so can't see the advantage of one over the other
They require consideration of consequences.
As to the above, chemo-therapy often results in remission of cancer and the saving of life -- often at the cost of much nausea and hair loss, among other side effects. But those side effects, however unpleasant, seem somehow superior to likely death without them. I suggest the same is true of the money used to keep millions of individuals afloat and able to pay for rent and food, and keep a lot of business afloat. That was most certainly true in Canada -- although there were indeed some businesses that never did re-open. Even the best government, like the best doctor, can't cure all ills.
No argument with your analogy.
But it doesn't justify bad policies, eg, banning purchase of caulk & paint,
but allowing purchase of booze & state lottery tickets...banning travel
to one's 2nd home, but allowing travel to & mingling in state parks.
Obviously stupid & corrupt from the outset.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
This bromance is bad for the country.
Excerpted...
Donald Trump has vowed to reach Mars if he wins the presidential campaign.

The orange manbaby, 78, wants the US to reach the Red Planet “by the end of my term”. He also wants there to be “great military protection in space”.

The Republican presidential candidate said he will “talk” to SpaceX boss Elon Musk about getting the mission going. He told supporters in North Carolina: “We want to reach Mars by the end of my term.
You mean he wants to raise money and gain political support to put together a manned mission to Mars, just like with the wall on the border.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You mean he wants to raise money and gain political support to put together a manned mission to Mars, just like with the wall on the border.
Even less practical than the wall.
At a much greater cost.
With huge chance of failure.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We’re not going to Mars. The only way in which “We will get there” is through the process which has already started; remote exploration via increasingly sophisticated technologies, which will not require humans to leave the earth. The prospect of manned space flight beyond the earth’s immediate environment is a nonsense. I know NASA is one of the bodies which is propagating the fantasy, but NASA scientists are certainly aware that it is just that, a fantasy; albeit one which attracts considerable public attention, thereby sustaining the public appetite for exploration which will be done by scientists on earth using technology in space.
It can't be done hasn't stopped many who did. It's going to eventually happen.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I am all for the exploration of space and I don't see why this is even a weird topic but apparently it is.
I like Musk's ambitions and desire to seek out the stars. Someday when the sun starts its expansion into a red giant, the people living in those days might appreciate at least a means to escape to a better place assuming such an endeavor is possible but only by learning from the pioneers and building on that technology.
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
I like Musk's ambitions and desire to seek out the stars. Someday when the sun starts its expansion into a red giant, the people living in those days might appreciate at least a means to escape to a better place assuming such an endeavor is possible but only by learning from the pioneers and building on that technology.

What, in 5 billion years? I think we have more pressing concerns right now on this planet imo
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
This bromance is bad for the country.
Excerpted...
Donald Trump has vowed to reach Mars if he wins the presidential campaign.

The orange manbaby, 78, wants the US to reach the Red Planet “by the end of my term”. He also wants there to be “great military protection in space”.

The Republican presidential candidate said he will “talk” to SpaceX boss Elon Musk about getting the mission going. He told supporters in North Carolina: “We want to reach Mars by the end of my term.

I found the "T*ts for Trump" story (in the link) much more interesting!
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't support Harris. She's awful, eg, she intends to
really **** up the economy with price controls. But I
expect that saner Dems & Pubs in Congress will thwart
her more socialist tendencies. So she's better than a
treasonous thug who'd create an imperial presidency.

So I'll vote for her merely to keep Trump out of office.
I'm far from alone.
Oh no, you aren't alone. Nearly 40 percent of possible Harris voters say this.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Even less practical than the wall.
At a much greater cost.
With huge chance of failure.

We could recoup that money by standing the wall on end. It would reach a long way into space, and could be used as a kind of ladder to get past the altitudes where lots of rocket fuel is need to ascend. Then a manufacturing plant could be constructed to build inter planetary spaceships to explore the solar system.

;)
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
We could recoup that money by standing the wall on end. It would reach a long way into space, and could be used as a kind of ladder to get past the altitudes where lots of rocket fuel is need to ascend. Then a manufacturing plant could be constructed to build inter planetary spaceships to explore the solar system.

;)
Not exactly a new idea, just not feasible yet.

As an alien we should put you in charge.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We could recoup that money by standing the wall on end. It would reach a long way into space, and could be used as a kind of ladder to get past the altitudes where lots of rocket fuel is need to ascend. Then a manufacturing plant could be constructed to build inter planetary spaceships to explore the solar system.

;)
I'd rather fund space elevator research....if
it can be shown even possible (either on
Earth or the Moon). It would be a hugely
enabling technology to cut the cost & risk
of space exploration.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Aye, women can be very strange.
To fete a boor who treats them
as did & does.
nah she is just a good capitalist using her assets in the environment with the most likely positive return.
To the tune of 100k per month according to her. I doubt any page 3 girls ever made that much.
 
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