Trump Says He Will Invoke the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798

[Pogo]

Dang it, beat me to the punch. I was wondering if he forgot about US internment camps.

No, that he knew about, and they sounded like a good idea to him except why not just deport them and save the money. He just had no idea how they got away with setting them up until someone told him. Problem is that in the intervening years, he will probably be forced to justify via due process just what organization is sending these people. Gangs are not a problem, they are already illegal, but that won't work for the vast majority of migrants and so it will just create another massive backlog in cases for the already overburdened immigrant justice system.

H. L. Mencken wrote that for every complex human problem, there is a solution that is neat, simple and wrong.
Trump is a master at selling these to his not very thoughtful base.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So your position is that the prospect of a President enforcing a law that has been in effect for 225 years makes such a President a dictator.

Only this generation wants to twist it to make it sound all wrong , even though it was there for 225 years without any objection or complaint ever made about it.

 

[Argentbear]

Bump

I didn't say they were fake , I said they were misquoted and fudged to make the leadership look good and I wouldn't trust a Democrat to quote an accurate statistic if one's life depended on it.

Any Evidence that the information was fudged or misquoted?

 

[Shaul]

Yes poorly written and misused such as interning Japanese for no good reason during WWII as just one example.
As to not using it the first time around, Trump knows so little of the law that he would never have thought of it on his own and it no doubt took one of his sycophants to come up with the idea and tell him how great it was.

Except President Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 was not based on the Alien Enemies Act, it was based on war time legislation. Also Trump is not to blame for what Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did 80 years ago before Trump was even born, nor is he guilty of something he hasn't even done because you imagine he will, and nobody has rescinded this "poorly written" law in 80 years despite it being, according to you, so "obviously" flawed.

 

[Pogo]

Only this generation wants to twist it to make it sound all wrong , even though it was there for 225 years without any objection or complaint ever made about it.

Slavery was common and codified for thousands of years in human history, does that mean that we should not object or complain about it because it has a history? That argument that well nobody complained is one of the more pathetic justifications for not correcting a wrong even you have made.

 

[F1fan]

Only this generation wants to twist it to make it sound all wrong , even though it was there for 225 years without any objection or complaint ever made about it.

It's not the law that had its purpose in its time and place. It's how modern governments used it inhumanely that is a problem. It's how Trump and his inhumane agendas want to use it in immoral ways that's a problem. It's the morally bankrupt followers of Trump and MAGA that is a threat to civil and economic stability. You as a human being don't care about migrants due to the xenophobia that appeals to your base emotions. Republoicans had the chance to work with democrats to resolve the migrant problem, and Trump sabotaged it. You guys have no right to complain as long as you support Trump.

There was a solution created by conservatives, and Trump sabotaged it. You have no right to complain. And this was Trump's purpose, to give you guys something to complain about and he succeded in exploiting your fear and xenophobia. The ugly American at its worst. It's as if you guys take pride in it.

Now he's going on about the "enemy within" so not just targeting migrants. How long before you guys jump on that bandwagon and seek an extreme and immoral solution to the democrat problem? Can't you guys see what he's doing to you?

 

[F1fan]

Except President Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 was not based on the Alien Enemies Act, it was based on war time legislation. Also Trump is not to blame for what Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did 80 years ago before Trump was even born, nor is he guilty of something he hasn't even done because you imagine he will, and nobody has rescinded this "poorly written" law in 80 years despite it being, according to you, so "obviously" flawed.

Yet it still violated the constitution. It was illegal no matter what laws were passed by congress. It was an example of xenophobia and a public who was afraid of a non-existing threat. That is similar to you MAGAs getting whipped up into a frenzy about migrants being a threat. Yet all you have is a few anecdotes that do not revresent reality. You guys have been duped, and you are willing to allow them to dupe you further.

There is concern about there being violence after the election if Trump loses. And where does history tell us that violence will comes from? It's not migrants. It's not democrats. It's your tribe of MAGA followers, they are the threat that we citizens need to be wary of.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's not the law that had its purpose in its time and place. It's how modern governments used it inhumanely that is a problem. It's how Trump and his inhumane agendas want to use it in immoral ways that's a problem. It's the morally bankrupt followers of Trump and MAGA that is a threat to civil and economic stability. You as a human being don't care about migrants due to the xenophobia that appeals to your base emotions. Republoicans had the chance to work with democrats to resolve the migrant problem, and Trump sabotaged it. You guys have no right to complain as long as you support Trump.

There was a solution created by conservatives, and Trump sabotaged it. You have no right to complain. And this was Trump's purpose, to give you guys something to complain about and he succeded in exploiting your fear and xenophobia. The ugly American at its worst. It's as if you guys take pride in it.

Now he's going on about the "enemy within" so not just targeting migrants. How long before you guys jump on that bandwagon and seek an extreme and immoral solution to the democrat problem? Can't you guys see what he's doing to you?

"Can't you guys see what he's doing to you?"

No, sadly, I don't think they can.

 

[wellwisher]

Here are some things that Act permits the President to do. Dictator on day 1.

The president has inherent authority to repel these kinds of sudden attacks — an authority that necessarily implies the discretion to decide when an invasion or predatory incursion is underway.​

The Alien Enemies Act, Explained

This detention and deportation power poses an alarming risk of abuse and rights violations in both wartime and peacetime.

www.brennancenter.org

Here is section 2:

SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.​

Here is the complete text of the Act:

The Alien and Sedition Acts (1798) | Constitution Center

National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for The Alien and Sedition Acts (1798)

constitutioncenter.org

The Democrat party, under Biden and Harris, is leading an illegal immigrant invasion, placing a strain and risk on the US citizens, without their consent. If Trump is elected and does what he says; reverse the invasion, the DNC and Swamp will try to tie up the reversal of their invasion, in court using government resource. This is why the Constitution gave the President power to protect the country and by pass internal government enemies trying to use our legal system and government resources, to promote and protect their invasion. This law will allow Trump to get the job done in record time, which will then make the bloated bureaucracy look very lame, and will then justify, restructuring, so it is not such a rip off to the tax payers.

Does everyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, where the criminals in the swamp, used the legal system, as well as government resources, in an attempt to overthrow a President? This is part of what this law avoids. If Trump had not been a billionaire, and he could not afford his top level private legal protection, from government funded law fare, he would have been toast. This law will cause the swamp to become bottled up in terms of being able to use the government for their crimes. The billionaires who back the swamp; puppet masters, will need to use private means; private sector legal challenges, thereby exposing the head of the snake. Then we can chop it off.

 

[F1fan]

"Can't you guys see what he's doing to you?"

No, sadly, I don't think they can.

It's like drug addicts who see their pain being solved by another fix. And how far down must they spiral before they hit bottom and realize they have made a series of poor decisions? And how many of us will they take with them?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The damnable thing is that HE ENGAGED in the acts outlined in the Act.

That's typical Trump. He whines about election interference as he interferes with elections. He complains about the DOJ being weaponized as he outlines how he intends to do just that.

I encountered something recently that summarizes this attitude well - Wilhoit's law, or the idea that laws are meant t protect somebody like Trump from consequences without limiting or binding him, while those same laws are understood as limiting others without protecting them.

America -- it was nice while it lasted.

Americans used to be mostly good and sensible people. That's changed, which is evident by the fact that Trump is almost as popular as Harris. Why that is is a mystery to those who know better and who shake their heads in disbelief at about half of their neighbors, who they see as some combination of intellectual and moral collapse.

How did that happen? I'd say that it is likely the result of decades of incessant conservative indoctrination media and a dumbed down electorate with a huge fraction of its voters susceptible to it.

If he has a Republican Senate, what's going to stop him?

I don't think a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress would be able to stop him. Nor could the Supreme Court even if it weren't already in his pocket. How could they? Dictators just ignore and make such institutions obsolete. He can subject them to his stochastic terrorism, or perhaps he'll have them arrested. He's been held accountable for his crimes and torts to some extent while Biden has been president and Garland the AG, but that all ends if he wins.

Trump better hope he loses the election. Because if he wins and he does try this kind of stuff, it will not be allowed to stand. And he will not be allowed to remain president. It will not end well for him.

You have more confidence in America than I do.

And I don't think you understand what it means to have a president who has no respect for American tradition, who feels that no law applies to him, who intends to retool government to serve him, and who enjoys considerable public support.

A heart attack. A stroke. All kinds of misfortunes might easily befall Donnie the Dictator.

He's easily replaceable.

I imagine that the Republicans would like a smarter substitute for somebody who's become an embarrassment and liability for them. He costs them elections, but he has a stranglehold over them for as long as he lives, and so, they have to wait him out since they can't summon the courage to stand up to him. Look at people like Vance, McConnell, and Haley, all of whom have called Trump names like Hitler, despicable, and unfit for the presidency but who all eventually endorsed his candidacy anyway, which speaks to my comment above about the hapless American electorate, who keep electing people like that.

 

[F1fan]

The Democrat party, under Biden and Harris, is leading an illegal immigrant invasion,

That's right/ Biden and Harris are leading illegal immigrants into America in the hundreds of thousands. It's like the Exodus, and these two are in the lead with their flock dutifully following with fresh ballots in their hands.

Or, the Bidan administration is just fllowing existing laws. And you ignore that a reform bill was going to be passed by congress and signed by Biden until Trump sabotaged it. Where is your criticism of Trump for doing that? Not single word. Why is that? Could it be you don't really want a final solution, and just want an excuse to complain?

It's well known that migrants are crucial to our economy, and for better of worse the Biden administration has to follow the laws that were passed by Congress. Want change? It starts with Congress passing a new law. And you will have to demand republicans vote for it, and ignore Trump.

placing a strain and risk on the US citizens, without their consent. If Trump is elected and does what he says; reverse the invasion, the DNC and Swamp will try to tie up the reversal of their invasion, in court using government resource. This is why the Constitution gave the President power to protect the country and by pass internal government enemies trying to use our legal system and government resources, to promote and protect their invasion. This law will allow Trump to get the job done in record time, which will then make the bloated bureaucracy look very lame, and will then justify, restructuring, so it is not such a rip off to the tax payers.

Does everyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, where the criminals in the swamp, used the legal system, as well as government resources, in an attempt to overthrow a President? This is part of what this law avoids. If Trump had not been a billionaire, and he could not afford his top level private legal protection, from government funded law fare, he would have been toast. This law will cause the swamp to become bottled up in terms of being able to use the government for their crimes. The billionaires who back the swamp; puppet masters, will need to use private means; private sector legal challenges, thereby exposing the head of the snake. Then we can chop it off.

Is there any reason to read the rest of your post, and take time to fact check and correct your disinformation? No. We know your reputation, and the inaccurate statements you post.

 

[F1fan]

You have more confidence in America than I do.

And I don't think you understand what it means to have a president who has no respect for American tradition, who feels that no law applies to him, who intends to retool government to serve him, and who enjoys considerable public support.

One thing that Trump has exposed is the degree to which the system of governing the USA is an honor system. There are rather vague laws that guide how officials conduct themselves, but the rest is largely a matter of interpretation. That leaves anyone with power and authority able to make poor decisions. Look at how the conservative majority of the SCOTUS decided presidents have broad immunity. Only an ethical president would follow the tradition of honor. But a guy like Trump? He will exploit this decision in ways that could undermine all other laws and traditions. And who would stop him? There would have to be a point where Trump causes so much disorder and instability that civil war could result. I could see it much like the Russian Revolution as a fight among political factions, not states.

He's easily replaceable.

I imagine that the Republicans would like a smarter substitute for somebody who's become an embarrassment and liability for them. He costs them elections, but he has a stranglehold over them for as long as he lives, and so, they have to wait him out since they can't summon the courage to stand up to him. Look at people like Vance, McConnell, and Haley, all of whom have called Trump names like Hitler, despicable, and unfit for the presidency but who all eventually endorsed his candidacy anyway, which speaks to my comment above about the hapless American electorate, who keep electing people like that.

It'll be interesting to see the evolution of MAGA if Trump loses, and can't avoid prosecution any more. Vance seems more of a Mini-Me than a leader. Trump's decline means his followers have to justify more of his extremism, and without him I'm not sure a Vance can whip up the devotion on a similar level. He just doesn't have that certain something that Trump has in spades. I could see the republican party have a serious identity crisis after Trump is gone, and they will have to rebuild. It still comes down to the American conservative, and I have to wonder how far gone their minds are as thinkers.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Dictators just ignore and make such institutions obsolete. He can subject them to his stochastic terrorism, or perhaps he'll have them arrested. He's been held accountable for his crimes and torts to some extent while Biden has been president and Garland the AG, but that all ends if he wins.

Purportedly President Andrew Jackson said of a SCOTUS ruling against his position "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

 

[F1fan]

You have more confidence in America than I do.

And I don't think you understand what it means to have a president who has no respect for American tradition, who feels that no law applies to him, who intends to retool government to serve him, and who enjoys considerable public support.

One thing that Trump has exposed is the degree to which the system of governing the USA is an honor system. There are rather vague laws that guide how officials conduct themselves, but the rest is largely a matter of interpretation. That leaves anyone with power and authority able to make poor decisions. Look at how the conservative majority of the SCOTUS decided presidents have broad immunity. Only an ethical president would follow the tradition of honor. But a guy like Trump? He will exploit this decision in ways that could undermine all other laws and traditions. And who would stop him? There would have to be a point where Trump causes so much disorder and instability that civil war could result. I could see it much like the Russian Revolution as a fight among political factions, not states.

He's easily replaceable.

I imagine that the Republicans would like a smarter substitute for somebody who's become an embarrassment and liability for them. He costs them elections, but he has a stranglehold over them for as long as he lives, and so, they have to wait him out since they can't summon the courage to stand up to him. Look at people like Vance, McConnell, and Haley, all of whom have called Trump names like Hitler, despicable, and unfit for the presidency but who all eventually endorsed his candidacy anyway, which speaks to my comment above about the hapless American electorate, who keep electing people like that.

It'll be interesting to see the evolution of MAGA if Trump loses, and can't avoid prosecution any more. Vance seems more of a Mini-Me than a leader. Trump's decline means his followers have to justify more of his extremism, and without him I'm not sure a Vance can whip up the devotion on a similar level. He just doesn't have that certain something that Trump has in spades. I could see the republican party have a serious identity crisis after Trump is gone, and they will have to rebuild. It still comes down to the American conservative, and I have to wonder how far gone their minds are as thinkers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only this generation wants to twist it to make it sound all wrong , even though it was there for 225 years without any objection or complaint ever made about it.

That is not true at all. There were strong protests when it was written And then it was never used so no protests were held until WWII when Japanese immigrants and Japanese Americans were interned. In fact I am pretty sure that all of the noncitizens were here legally. But two thirds of them were not Japanese citizens. They were American citizens. They were interned just because they were of Japanese descent. By that standard that law could be applied to anyone that the President did not like:

Japanese American Incarceration | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

At the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, about 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry lived on the US mainland, mostly along the Pacific Coast. About two thirds were full citizens, born and raised in the United States. Following the Pearl Harbor attack, however, a wave of...

www.nationalww2museum.org

2/3 of those interned were born here. They were American citizens. They very often ended up losing the property that they owned.

 

[F1fan]

That is not true at all. There were strong protests when it was written And then it was never used so no protests were held until WWII when Japanese immigrants and Japanese Americans were interned. In fact I am pretty sure that all of the noncitizens were here legally. But two thirds of them were not Japanese citizens. They were American citizens. They were interned just because they were of Japanese descent. By that standard that law could be applied to anyone that the President did not like:

Japanese American Incarceration | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

At the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, about 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry lived on the US mainland, mostly along the Pacific Coast. About two thirds were full citizens, born and raised in the United States. Following the Pearl Harbor attack, however, a wave of...

www.nationalww2museum.org

2/3 of those interned were born here. They were American citizens. They very often ended up losing the property that they owned.

Star Trek actor and activist George Takai has talked about how he and his parents were interned. This injustice has been largely ignored by most citizens but it is a lesson we need to remember.

It was a plot point in the 1977 move Midway, about the battle between Japanese and American forces.

And it was a small part in the movie Karate Kid. It was an idea the actor Pat Morita came up with to give Mr. Miagi more depth as a character. In the movie Miagi was a decorated soldier in Europe while his wife died in an internment camp.

There's no rational and moral mind that can justify that action by the US government. And there is no rational or moral case in Trump mentioning it today. The man is disturbed and unfit.

 

[Valjean]

The Democrat party, under Biden and Harris, is leading an illegal immigrant invasion, placing a strain and risk on the US citizens, without their consent. If Trump is elected and does what he says; reverse the invasion, the DNC and Swamp will try to tie up the reversal of their invasion, in court using government resource. This is why the Constitution gave the President power to protect the country and by pass internal government enemies trying to use our legal system and government resources, to promote and protect their invasion. This law will allow Trump to get the job done in record time, which will then make the bloated bureaucracy look very lame, and will then justify, restructuring, so it is not such a rip off to the tax payers.

What the heck is the "Democrat" party? You're not futhering your agenda with this puerile rhetoric.

"Leading an illegal immigrant invasion?" This is xenophobic hyperbole. "Putting strain and risk on US citizens?" When did this strain begin? Immigrants, legal and illegal, have always been among us. Risk? Crime statistics don't bear this out.
This anti-immigrant propaganda is not protecting our country. It's not the Democratic party's invasion. It's not an invasion at all. It's propaganda to foment fear and insecurity to advance a GOP political agenda.

Does everyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, where the criminals in the swamp, used the legal system, as well as government resources, in an attempt to overthrow a President? This is part of what this law avoids. If Trump had not been a billionaire, and he could not afford his top level private legal protection, from government funded law fare, he would have been toast. This law will cause the swamp to become bottled up in terms of being able to use the government for their crimes. The billionaires who back the swamp; puppet masters, will need to use private means; private sector legal challenges, thereby exposing the head of the snake. Then we can chop it off.

Does everyone Remember the Palmer raids? Those who forget history....

Palmer Raids ‑ Definition, Purpose & 1920s | HISTORY

The Palmer raids, named after Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer, produced the violent arrests of suspected leftist radicals and anarchists in 1919 and 1920.

www.history.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Star Trek actor and activist George Takai has talked about how he and his parents were interned. This injustice has been largely ignored by most citizens but it is a lesson we need to remember.

It was a plot point in the 1977 move Midway, about the battle between Japanese and American forces.

And it was a small part in the movie Karate Kid. It was an idea the actor Pat Morita came up with to give Mr. Miagi more depth as a character. In the movie Miagi was a decorated soldier in Europe while his wife died in an internment camp.

There's no rational and moral mind that can justify that action by the US government. And there is no rational or moral case in Trump mentioning it today. The man is disturbed and unfit.

George Takei also was behind a play about internment camps and there affect on Americans that were in them:

Allegiance (musical) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

Bump

Any Evidence that the information was fudged or misquoted?

Any evidence that it's true?

Two can play your game here.