"Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack Nato allies"

[Estro Felino]

Well, you do have a believability
problem with some of us on RF.

This isn't bolstering your authority
to speak broadly for other Europeans.

I can read your mind, dear.
Americans have been trying to destroy the relations between Germany and Russia. Between Austria and Russia. Between Hungary and Russia. Between Italy and Russia. Between Balkans and Russia.
But they failed, dearest.

Read this. Moscow says 'no one can destroy relations with Italy' - TopNews - Ansa.it

We will always be Europeans and being Europeans means to befriend Russians.
And if you want to prevent us from doing it, I am afraid you will have to exterminate us all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can read your mind, dear.

If you really could, you'd be
too nauseas to post.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ok. "Collective defense" costs money.

So no, you're just going to repeat the same thing again.
Okey dokey.

 

[Laniakea]

So no, you're just going to repeat the same thing again.
Okey dokey.

Repeated with added clarification.
Sorry if it was too long for you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump's remark inspires Germany to get nukes?
Germans Debate Once-Unthinkable: Do We Need Nukes?

 

[Laniakea]

Trump's remark inspires Germany to get nukes?
Germans Debate Once-Unthinkable: Do We Need Nukes?

Why? Just because America might not use its nukes to defend Germany? Aren't there any other NATO countries besides the USA that has nukes?
Or is the WSJ just trying to scare people out of voting for Trump?
Sure sounds like it.

So much cheaper for Germany to just pay it's dues.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why? Just because America might not use its nukes to defend Germany? Aren't there any other NATO countries besides the USA that has nukes?
Or is the WSJ just trying to scare people out of voting for Trump?
Sure sounds like it.

So much cheaper for Germany to just pay it's dues.

What do you think Germany's dues are?

 

[Laniakea]

What do you think Germany's dues are?

2% sounds about right.

"BERLIN, Aug 16 (Reuters) - The German government has retreated from a plan to legally commit itself to meeting NATO's 2% military spending target on an annual basis, a government source told Reuters on Wednesday."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-walks-back-plan-meet-nato-spending-target-annual-basis-2023-08-16/

 

[Revoltingest]

2% sounds about right.

"BERLIN, Aug 16 (Reuters) - The German government has retreated from a plan to legally commit itself to meeting NATO's 2% military spending target on an annual basis, a government source told Reuters on Wednesday."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-walks-back-plan-meet-nato-spending-target-annual-basis-2023-08-16/

So not really dues.
Just a level of direct spending on defense.
But your info is outdated.
Germany increased spending after Russia
invaded Ukraine. It's now 2%.

 

[Laniakea]

So not really dues.
Just a level of direct spending on defense.
But your info is outdated.
Germany increased spending after Russia
invaded Ukraine. It's now 2%.

Article was dated Aug. 23rd of last year, well after the date when Russia went into Ukraine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Article was dated Aug. 23rd of last year, well after the date when Russia went into Ukraine.

You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.
It's 2024 now.
Germany spends 2% of GDP on defense.

 

[Laniakea]

You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.
It's 2024 now.
Germany spends 2% of GDP on defense.

And Russia invaded Ukraine Feb. 24th of 2022. Article about Germany written Aug. 23rd of 2023--a year and a half later. That's when Germany retreated from a plan to legally commit itself to meeting NATO's 2% military spending target on an annual basis.

Perhaps you don't like Reuters as a news source?

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps you don't like Reuters as a news source?

I trust them to get it right at the time of publication.
But an article from 2023 doesn't necessarily apply to 2024.

 

[Laniakea]

I trust them to get it right at the time of publication.
But an article from 2023 doesn't necessarily apply to 2024.

Do you have an updated article that supports your claim that Germany now pays the dues it committed itself to?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you have an updated article that supports your claim that Germany now pays the dues it committed itself to?

I do.
It pays to do some checking when making claims.
This is especially so because Germany had been
increasing spending. One would expect an increase
from 2023 to 2024.

MSN

www.msn.com

Just think of how good Trump is for us all...
Inspiring a nuclear armed Germany.

 

[Laniakea]

I do.
It pays to do some checking when making claims.
This is especially so because Germany had been
increasing spending. One would expect an increase
from 2023 to 2024.

MSN

www.msn.com

Just think of how good Trump is for us all...
Inspiring a nuclear armed Germany.

Well then, Germany shouldn't be wanting nukes. Trump was obviously not talking about Germany or any other country that has met its obligations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well then, Germany shouldn't be wanting nukes. Trump was obviously not talking about Germany or any other country that has met its obligations.

Germany might need nukes to defend neighbors
that Trump wants Russia to invade. After all, just
because Trump won't honor the NATO commitment
doesn't mean other members don't have a shared
interest in preventing violent Russian expansion.

 

[Laniakea]

Germany might need nukes to defend neighbors
that Trump wants Russia to invade. After all, just
because Trump won't honor the NATO commitment
doesn't mean other members don't have a shared
interest in preventing violent Russian expansion.

So if America doesn't go "nuclear", Germany will?
Ukraine hasn't used nukes, and they've been holding Russia off for 2 years now. Why would you think that any country in that region being attacked for the first time by a Russia that has been taking a beating for the past 2 years would need anything more than Ukraine has been using? After all, they're spending 2% of their GDP on defense. On top of that, neighboring countries are doing the same and can aid them. No nukes necessary unless Russia pulled that trigger first.

 

[Revoltingest]

So if America doesn't go "nuclear", Germany will?
Ukraine hasn't used nukes, and they've been holding Russia off for 2 years now.

Germany might want to fare better in defending
itself than Ukraine has. Moreover, a nuclear
Germany would be inoculated against invasion.

 

[Heyo]

Well then, Germany shouldn't be wanting nukes. Trump was obviously not talking about Germany or any other country that has met its obligations.

Germany should at least contemplate nukes, because a) if Trump becomes Prez again, the US may leave NATO anyway (as she left the Paris Agreement and the Iran Deal). Trump is just too erratic. And b) NATO may want to exclude the US (for the same reason).