"Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack Nato allies"

[Laniakea]

Just this once. As to Trump calling soldiers that were wounded or killed "losers":

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

'When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.'

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

'Of note: Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin previously confirmed parts of The Atlantic's story, including his refusal to visit the Aisne-Marne Cemetery in France.'

'The big picture: Other instances in the statement from Kelly, whose Marine son, Robert Kelly, was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, that appeared to confirm the report were:

• Trump saying at a 2017 Memorial Day event in Arlington National Cemetery: "I don't get it. What was in it for them?"
• Kelly said Trump did not want to include military amputees at a White House military event in 2018 because it would make spectator's uncomfortable, and added that Trump had said their presence "doesn't look good for me."
• Kelly also noted that Trump in 2016 publicly belittled the parents of Humayun Khan, an Army captain and Gold Star recipient who was killed in Iraq in 2004, after they criticized him for his anti-Muslim rhetoric.
• And he condemned Trump for accusing retiring Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Gen. Mark Milley last month of treason and suggesting that the punishment for such an act would have once been death.'

Here he is denying that McCain was a war hero. A man that was shot down and captured and could have left captivity but refused to as long as his men were captives, he was endlessly tortured as a result:

His own words condemn him.

The Atlantic. The Atlantic Media Bias Rating
Far left source. Leftist propaganda. Not a valid source of news.
Try harder.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Americans should really understand that the German people, the most numerous nation of the European Union is not content with this administration.
They should listen.

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The Germans I've known (and I've known many) don't agree with you either. One of them even moved back to Germany after Trump was forced on us.

 

[Laniakea]

The Germans I've known (and I've known many) don't agree with you either. One of them even moved back to Germany after Trump was forced on us.

A dangerous ambiguity: Why Germany is lukewarm about Biden’s America

Berlin will only harm itself and others if it continues to snub Washington’s entreaties to rebuild the transatlantic alliance.

ecfr.eu

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Atlantic. The Atlantic Media Bias Rating
Far left source. Leftist propaganda. Not a valid source of news.
Try harder.

Incorrect. You used a biased rating system. Here is one that makes its money by being honest, not be being right wing:

The Atlantic - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Left center with a high reliability rating. Still a valid source of news. Better than anything that you can find.

 

[Laniakea]

Incorrect. You used a biased rating system. Here is one that makes its money by being honest, not be being right wing:

The Atlantic - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Left center with a high reliability rating. Still a valid source of news. Better than anything that you can find.

Anything is better than Leftist.
What would be wrong with Center? Couldn't you find anything without bias to back up your claims?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This is not an emotionally intelligent response to someone that is close with someone personally affected to the murder-suicide reference you made calling you out.

Really? I thought that it was a constructive reply. I wrote, "You're going to encounter the phrase [drink the Kool-Aid] several more times in your life, and it sounds like you've already decided to let it anger you. As I said, that's your choice, but it's unreasonable for you to expect people to accommodate that."

What didn't you like about that? The event is about a half-century old now and he writes as if this is still a fresh, open wound. Why let something like that get under your skin, I say? It might be mildly off-putting to hear for the fragment of society with personal connections to the Jonestown matter, but as I noted, he's going to hear or read the phrase periodically from people who mean no offense, are often unaware of its origin, and don't know how he feels about it or that he has a personal connection to it, so he's well advised to maybe mention (or not) to others that use it why it's offensive to some, but not let it be a cause for consternation for him.

As I said, though you see it differently, I consider that constructive advice.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Atlantic. The Atlantic Media Bias Rating
Far left source. Leftist propaganda. Not a valid source of news.
Try harder.

Even worse for you. It does not say "far left". It says left. And it gets even worse than that for you. You did not check out your own source. It states that at the time of the article it's rating was "Leans left". And they do not even have a rating of how factual a sources is. Your site is lacking but even so it refutes your claim. So at the time of the article Not "far left", not even "left" it is "leans left":

 

[Laniakea]

Even worse for you. It does not say "far left". It says left. And it gets even worse than that for you. You did not check out your own source. It states that at the time of the article it's rating was "Leans left". And they do not even have a rating of how factual a sources is. Your site is lacking but even so it refutes your claim. So at the time of the article Not "far left", not even "left" it is "leans left":

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The arrow was pointed all the way to the Left. It couldn't go any further. Not "leaning" left. So yeah, FAR left.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Anything is better than Leftist.
What would be wrong with Center? Couldn't you find anything without bias to back up your claims?

Don't be silly. At this time it is the right that has lost all credibility. Leans left is more reliable than leans right. I posted a leans left source that is rated "High" in factual reporting. It has been confirmed several times the by the sources that it used.

Trump on the other hand claimed that 25 people said that it did not happen, but I do not remember those 25 people coming forward. There were sources that were interviewed elsewhere after that article came out and confirmed it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The arrow was pointed all the way to the Left. It couldn't go any further. Not "leaning" left. So yeah, FAR left.

LMAO!! No, that is now, and you also pointed out that your source failed again because there is a difference between left and far left. And that is it's rating now. At the time the article was written it was rated "Leans Left". Didn't you even look at that? That was from your source.

 

[Laniakea]

Don't be silly. At this time it is the right that has lost all credibility. Leans left is more reliable than leans right.

And now you're showing your own LEFTIST bias.
Thanks for coming clean about that much.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And now you're showing your own LEFTIST bias.
Thanks for coming clean about that much.

How is that bias? It is merely a fact. Trump has poisoned the right. There is no doubt about it. You keep being shown evidence and you keep denying it.

By the way, why did you run away from your claim about the deficit?

 

[Laniakea]

LMAO!! No, that is now, and you also pointed out that your source failed again because there is a difference between left and far left. And that is it's rating now. At the time the article was written it was rated "Leans Left". Didn't you even look at that? That was from your source.

I looked at it. Here's what it says:

The Atlantic Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of The Atlantic. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

www.allsides.com

What a "Left" Rating Means
Sources with an AllSides Media Bias Rating of Left display media bias in ways that strongly align with liberal, progressive, or left-wing thought and/or policy agendas. This is our most liberal rating on the political spectrum.

I'm happy to have corrected you.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Zelenski wants Trump?

You said Nazis. Nazis want Trump. MAGA wants Trump. You want Trump. Tucker Carlson wants Trump. Putin wants Trump. These are all enemies of Americanism as I just outlined it: rule of law, church-state separation, democracy, and egalitarianism.

Zelensky wants the Republicans including Trump who are blocking foreign aid to Ukraine neutralized. So does the free world including most of America.

Are you saying you'd want people who can easily put their political opponents in prison til they die to stay in charge?

I said that if you believe that Trump and the Republicans let the Democrats do this to them and leave zero paper trail, then the former are too weak incompetent to lead. Do you disagree?

And now you're saying that those who have proven they can easily steal elections to stay in charge of government?

I prefer the Democrats to the Republicans. I don't believe that any election was stolen, but if I did - if I thought that Trump would be president today had the election not been stolen form him - I would support that steal as an imminently patriotic act, like taking out Hussain and bin Laden.

Why? I don't have the same standards for enemies that I do for friends and strangers. Some of things that I would find unthinkable to do to either of the latter groups are perfectly fine to do to the former. I don't love enemies. I look for ways to neutralize their effect on my life.

Would it be undemocratic to rig an election to save democracy? Maybe, but I would support that the way one might support martial law or the temporary suspension of habeus corpus in an existential emergency.

If Trump ends up in the White House, he would inherit the power of government that democrats have given themselves.

The Constitution and the law empowers the Democrats as Trump is learning. Only they care about the rule of law. You'd like to see Trump walk for his crimes.

Besides, according to your view of the Democrats and the control they have over elections and Trump's future, that won't be possible. But were Trump to prevail, he will steal power.

 

[Laniakea]

You said Nazis. Nazis want Trump. MAGA wants Trump. You want Trump. Tucker Carlson wants Trump. Putin wants Trump. These are all enemies of Americanism as I just outlined it: rule of law, church-state separation, democracy, and egalitarianism.

Zelensky wants the Republicans including Trump who are blocking foreign aid to Ukraine neutralized. So does the free world including most of America.

"Neutralized", huh? Sounds like you want an authoritarian regime like biden's censoring their opposition. Is that what you're into now?

I said that if you believe that Trump and the Republicans let the Democrats do this to them and leave zero paper trail, then the former are too weak incompetent to lead. Do you disagree?

If they're so weak, what's with the "neutralizing" of them about?

I prefer the Democrats to the Republicans. I don't believe that any election was stolen, but if I did - if I thought that Trump would be president today had the election not been stolen form him - I would support that steal as an imminently patriotic act, like taking out Hussain and bin Laden.

Well, you're sounding very politician-like here.
People on my side say "Stop the Steal", but here you are advocating for it.
I appreciate you revealing your side's true colors.

Why? I don't have the same standards for enemies that I do for friends and strangers. Some of things that I would find unthinkable to do to either of the latter groups are perfectly fine to do to the former. I don't love enemies. I look for ways to neutralize their effect on my life.

Sounds like you want civil war. That's what would happen if both sides felt the way you do.

Would it be undemocratic to rig an election to save democracy? Maybe, but I would support that the way one might support martial law or the temporary suspension of habeus corpus in an existential emergency.

Keep talking.....

The Constitution and the law empowers the Democrats as Trump is learning. Only they care about the rule of law. You'd like to see Trump walk for his crimes.

Oh, now crime is "bad", after advocating for the theft of an election if you don't like the way it turned out? Interesting! Sounds like there really is a 2 tiered justice system.

Besides, according to your view of the Democrats and the control they have over elections and Trump's future, that won't be possible. But were Trump to prevail, he will steal power.

If he prevails, he won't need to steal power. He will have had it given to him by We The People, ya know, the way a democracy works.
Oh, that's right! "Democracy" isn't actually what you want if it doesn't go in your favor.

 

[Heyo]

A dangerous ambiguity: Why Germany is lukewarm about Biden’s America

Berlin will only harm itself and others if it continues to snub Washington’s entreaties to rebuild the transatlantic alliance.

ecfr.eu

That's a really old article, but the gist of it is still true. Germans have become wary of the US. While we still have a lot of blind followers, they aren't the majority any more. The fact that Trump could have won an election made it clear to even the dimmest, that democracy in the US isn't healthy.
And it's people like you (even if you're only a Poe) that convince more and more Germans (and other Europeans) that the US isn't the saviour of the West (any more).

 

[Laniakea]

That's a really old article, but the gist of it is still true. Germans have become wary of the US. While we still have a lot of blind followers, they aren't the majority any more. The fact that Trump could have won an election made it clear to even the dimmest, that democracy in the US isn't healthy.
And it's people like you (even if you're only a Poe) that convince more and more Germans (and other Europeans) that the US isn't the saviour of the West (any more).

Nor should we have to be.
We're on our way to collapse anyway, so other countries need to start stepping up if they wish to be defended. Relying on America to defend everyone else is like a citizen relying on the police to stop a home intruder once he breaks into your house. You need to be your own First Responder.

 

[Heyo]

Nor should we have to be.
We're on our way to collapse anyway, so other countries need to start stepping up if they wish to be defended. Relying on America to defend everyone else is like a citizen relying on the police to stop a home intruder once he breaks into your house. You need to be your own First Responder.

It will be much easier to see that when the self-declared police isn't omnipresent and self-righteous.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

"Neutralized", huh? Sounds like you want an authoritarian regime like biden's censoring their opposition. Is that what you're into now?

Are you representing as somebody who's opposed to authoritarianism? You're a Trumper. You support a wannabe dictator. And Biden is not Trumps problem until the election. It's people like Merrick Garland, Jack Smith, Letitia James, Fani Willis, and Alvin Bragg - assorted prosecutors in diverse federal and state level jurisdictions.

I want the Republicans disempowered. They are no longer the loyal opposition. They are enemies to America and its Constitution.

Of course, that wouldn't be the end of America's political woes. It would still have the problem of about half of its voters electing people like Trump, Greene, Boebert, Comer, Jordan, and Gaetz. Those people will still exist and still vote for such people long after the Republican party might cease to exist. It doesn't bode well for America's future. The next time they hand the White House and both houses of Congress to the republicans or whatever replaced them if the party collapses, it is expected to be the end of democracy and free elections. Your life and the lives of everybody living in America will become worse.

Have you been following the implosion of the House Republicans in their Biden impeachment effort? Their key witness, who is now criminally indicted, fed them Russian lies, which they greedily and hungrily swallowed, repeated, and began now embarrassing nothing-burger investigations. How incompetent is that? And how incompetent as citizens are the voters who elected them?

People on my side say "Stop the Steal", but here you are advocating for it.

What I said is that I don't believe the election was stolen, but if it had been, that would have been a good thing.

Have you seen the results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project? These scores are on a scale of 0-100. The three top presidents earned scores of 90 or more. Trump was not only the 45th president, but he was also the 45th worst president. That's your candidate. That's the man you advocate for. Biden finished 14th. That's the candidate you reject.

Obama finished 7th, which really has to gall Trump, whose envy of Obama is palpable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump is already supporting Putin & his invasion
of Ukraine. He's ordered his party to withhold
military aid. Now Ukraine is seeing losses against
Russia.
Fortunately, a some Republicans are siding with
Ukraine against Russia.

Here Are the Republicans Who Broke With Their Party to Back Ukraine Aid

Party leaders, national security institutionalists and centrists made up the core of the 22 Republicans who joined Democrats in pushing through the military aid, defying former President Donald J. Trump.

www.nytimes.com

Excerpted...
Party leaders, national security institutionalists and centrists made up the core of the 22 Republicans who joined Democrats in pushing through the military aid, defying former President Donald J. Trump.

Twenty-two Senate Republicans bucked a majority of their party and former President Donald J. Trump in joining Democrats to approve military assistance, highlighting a widening foreign policy divide in the contemporary Republican Party.

The 22 senators, mainly national security hawks who include several military veterans, provided the votes needed to overcome multiple filibusters backed by a majority of their colleagues, clearing the way for Senate approval early Tuesday morning of $95 billion in aid to Ukraine, Israel and allies in the Pacific region.

“The thread that binds that group together is national security,” said Senator Jerry Moran, Republican of Kansas, who is one of the 22. “America’s national security, the belief that what happens in Ukraine matters to the United States, the belief that what happens in Israel matters and the belief that what happens in the South Pacific matters.”