SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Almost every single country in the world has universal/public healthcare.
So ... no, not a "democrap invention."
An actual good invention.
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"Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack Nato allies"
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Almost every single country in the world has universal/public healthcare.
So ... no, not a "democrap invention."
An actual good invention.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Oops you missed the point.
Laniakea
Not of this world
With the result of the manufacture going outside the USA. So in the end, it is not for our beneft. Nor is the money for funding the paychecks and pensions of Ukrainian government officials.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Oops! You couldn't answer the questions.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Now you're moving the goalposts. We weren't talking about public healthcare. We were talking about the idea of "public health", which has been an umbrella term used for things such as gun ownership, or even freedom of speech which offends liberals.
Laniakea
Not of this world
So you say, but you don't prove.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Maybe this will help you understand the point better ...
"NATO’s essential and enduring purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members by political and military means. Collective defence is at the heart of the Alliance and creates a spirit of solidarity and cohesion among its members.
NATO’s goal: peace and security in Europe and North America
NATO strives to secure a lasting peace in Europe, based on its member countries’ common values of individual liberty, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. These shared values unite a diverse group of Allies on both sides of the Atlantic, and NATO embodies the transatlantic bond between them, whereby the security of Allies in Europe and North America is inextricably linked. The principle of collective defence – meaning that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies – is at the heart of NATO. This means that no single member country is forced to rely solely on its national capabilities to meet its essential national security objectives. The resulting sense of shared security among NATO members contributes to stability in the Euro-Atlantic area."
It's not about money. And the US has benefited from this alliance.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nope. You claimed public health is a "democrap invention."
It's not.
Looks like you're the one moving the goal posts.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, the manufacturing is mostly done here.
I do not believe we're doing that, so since you post the above as a fact, then maybe provide us with a link to show that.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Done already. You should pay better attention the first time you asked for the evidence. It's all over the thread. Scroll up instead of being one of those people that claims over and over that they haven't already received and dismissed the evidence they've asked for.
Nazis? That's easy. Which candidate admires dictators and said he would be a dictator on the first day of his second term? That's the one Nazis want. And MAGA. And the majority of congressional Republicans. They all hate democracy, the rule of law, church-state separation, and egalitarianism. In other words, they hate America.
If you think that these things have been this easily and this often done to Trump by the Democrats, then why would you want him and not the Democrats that can toy with him so easily in charge?
Same argument. If Democrats can so easily steal elections from Republicans such as Trump, and he and they were so powerless as to allow it to happen and all of the evidence to be successfully hidden or destroyed, those Republicans are too weak to lead. Elect the ones that know how to get things done. Look at the clown show in the Republican-led House. Those people are as incompetent as Trump has been fending off these indictments and judgments which according to your beliefs and his claims, he ought to be able to do, or at a minimum, reveal the scam rather than merely claim it happened.
If the world works the way that you and Trump claim it does, then until Republicans figure out how this is being done to them so easily, Democrats can ensure that Republicans never win another election, making them perennial losers in two senses of the phrase. Republican voters, too. People who vote for Republicans will have their votes stolen without a fight, and they will keep voting for losers. There's no point in them voting, so they should just sit out the elections. Nobody wants to vote for a loser - somebody too impotent to prevent others from eating his lunch anyway.
Laniakea
Not of this world
The U.S. has funded the vast majority of NATO, and has also put out the additional money to actually do the defending of everyone else. I would certainly hope the U.S. would have gotten some benefit from that since we're shouldering the bulk of the load while other countries don't even pay their fair share, or even indicate that they understand that they themselves (as neighboring countries to Ukraine) have the most to lose. Yet they sit back and let the U.S. do everything.
Perhaps they understand they aren't actually as threatened by Russia as we keep claiming they are.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Do you even know what NATO is? "Their" countries have invaded ours? Britain or maybe France have "invaded"?
And BTW, we don't need financial support from any of our allies. We're still the richest nation on the planet.
Laniakea
Not of this world
As long as you don't provide evidence while constantly claiming you already did.
Backing up your claims is your homework to do, not mine.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Zelenski wants Trump? Do tell!
Are you saying you'd want people who can easily put their political opponents in prison til they die to stay in charge? Interesting!
And now you're saying that those who have proven they can easily steal elections to stay in charge of government? Amazing!
Glad to see you admit that might makes right! If Trump ends up in the White House, he would inherit the power of government that democrats have given themselves.
Laniakea
Not of this world
In debt to the point that we're now paying interest on a debt so high that the interest matches our largest single expenditure--national defense.
Not exactly rich.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just this once. As to Trump calling soldiers that were wounded or killed "losers":
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
'When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.'
'Of note: Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin previously confirmed parts of The Atlantic's story, including his refusal to visit the Aisne-Marne Cemetery in France.'
'The big picture: Other instances in the statement from Kelly, whose Marine son, Robert Kelly, was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, that appeared to confirm the report were:
- Trump saying at a 2017 Memorial Day event in Arlington National Cemetery: "I don't get it. What was in it for them?"
- Kelly said Trump did not want to include military amputees at a White House military event in 2018 because it would make spectator's uncomfortable, and added that Trump had said their presence "doesn't look good for me."
- Kelly also noted that Trump in 2016 publicly belittled the parents of Humayun Khan, an Army captain and Gold Star recipient who was killed in Iraq in 2004, after they criticized him for his anti-Muslim rhetoric.
- And he condemned Trump for accusing retiring Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Gen. Mark Milley last month of treason and suggesting that the punishment for such an act would have once been death.'
His own words condemn him.
Public health existed before their party
was created (to advocate for slavery, BTW).
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
One question, what cause that debt and who made most of it?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The evidence has been posted many times. You tend to ignore it. That is why I am not the only one that refuses to give you evidence when you demand it.