Trump supporter says groping no big deal. Daughters nod in agreement.

[Father Heathen]

Smells onionie.

The Babylon Bee is as if The Onion and Landover Baptists had a baby.

 

[Cooky]

Smells onionie.

I love satire...

 

[Shaul]

To any Brit, and probably any Aussie, seeing a candidate for a top judicial position react like that is pretty shocking. I know judges are more political in the States, but to anyone used to the British type of judiciary, this sort of emotional lashing out and reaching for victimhood would make you think they don't have the requisite detachment and self-possession for the job.

I had no particular dog in this fight before, but I am now deeply unimpressed with Kavanaugh, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the allegation itself.

Or American men aren’t as emasculated.

Shall we need to reference some of the wild fights that have taken place in the British Parliament?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He will be. The standard needed isn’t to convince the closed minded.

Is it closed minded to see a potential Supreme Court judge having to have the legal system explained to him as someone who is unfit for such a position? I fail to see how this would make one closed minded. I haven't even said he doesn't deserve the spot because Trump nominated him.
And if he does make, I'm very glad I'm in California now and no longer in Indiana.

 

[Milton Platt]

They look 15 and 17.

Yes, but it is okay with the parents if I groped them, evidently, and the daughters were okay with it as well......Just making a point.

 

[Shaul]

Is it closed minded to see a potential Supreme Court judge having to have the legal system explained to him as someone who is unfit for such a position? I fail to see how this would make one closed minded. I haven't even said he doesn't deserve the spot because Trump nominated him.
And if he does make, I'm very glad I'm in California now and no longer in Indiana.

He has received the highest rating from the Bar Association and even the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee concede his legal acumen and credentials. Nice try.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He has received the highest rating from the Bar Association and even the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee concede his legal acumen and credentials. Nice try.

I was referring to his character and how he himself handled himself in court. It wasn't flattering.

 

[Shaul]

I was referring to his character and how he himself handled himself in court. It wasn't flattering.

No, you wrote “Is it closed minded to see a potential Supreme Court judge having to have the legal system explained to him as someone who is unfit for such a position?“ Saying he needs to have the legal system explained to him is certainly questioning his legal knowledge. As I wrote Judge Kavanaugh received he highest rating from the ABA and even the Democrats agree he knows the law and the legal system.

How he has behaved is quite understandable under his circumstances. There is no rule book for how a someone “should” behave when accused of sexual misconduct, particularly when they are innocent. “Flattering” or not, it is no disqualification whatsoever.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, you wrote “Is it closed minded to see a potential Supreme Court judge having to have the legal system explained to him as someone who is unfit for such a position?“ Saying he needs to have the legal system explained to him is certainly questioning his legal knowledge. As I wrote Judge Kavanaugh received he highest rating from the ABA and even the Democrats agree he knows the law and the legal system.

I will be more specific then: for someone who wants to be a top judge, his behavior in court was pathetic.

 

[Cooky]

I'm very glad I'm in California now and no longer in Indiana.

Oh, me too. I'm from Valparaiso, IN. Now I live in Anaheim by Angels stadium.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, me too. I'm from Valparaiso, IN. Now I live in Anaheim.

I used to go to the Girl Scout camp in Valparaiso for LARPing. I also had an aunt and uncle who lived there.
One of my first realizations is that either Indiana or the Valley isn't using Conservative correctly, because they can't both be conservative, because they are both so very different. I've been here for about a month now and I've seen one Confederate flag. In Kokomo (though I lived in Miami county and should have had Peru on my address) they are common sights. Churches all over the place. And I've noticed there are also aren't nearly as many bars here. Politician campaign billboards in Spanish? Indiana tried to pass an "English only" bill for state buildings and properties. They also have way more LGBT services here, and more resources for the homeless, more in regards to the mental health field, and more resources going to the troops. And the state offering state jobs in the prisons? They both claim to be Conservative, but only one should be able to bear that label because they are just too different for them both to be Conservative.

 

[exchemist]

Or American men aren’t as emasculated.

Shall we need to reference some of the wild fights that have taken place in the British Parliament?

What an extraordinarily stupid reply. The whole point is that a judge is not a politician.

A judge, in the legal system of any country that is not a banana republic, studiously avoids being swayed by emotion or party politics.

 

[Stevicus]

The whole point is that a judge is not a politician.

Since when?

Well-known attorney Vincent Bugliosi (in an excerpt from his book "Outrage") states otherwise:

The American people have an understandably negative view of politicians, public opinion polls show, and an equally negative view of lawyers. Conventional logic would seem to dictate that since a judge is normally both a politician and a lawyer, judges would be perceived by the public as being lower than whale waste. But on the contrary, the mere investiture of a twenty-five-dollar black cotton robe elevates the denigrated lawyer-politician to a position of considerable honor and respect in our society, as if the garment itself miraculously imbues the person with qualities not previously possessed.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Since when?

Well-known attorney Vincent Bugliosi (in an excerpt from his book "Outrage") states otherwise:

The American people have an understandably negative view of politicians, public opinion polls show, and an equally negative view of lawyers. Conventional logic would seem to dictate that since a judge is normally both a politician and a lawyer, judges would be perceived by the public as being lower than whale waste. But on the contrary, the mere investiture of a twenty-five-dollar black cotton robe elevates the denigrated lawyer-politician to a position of considerable honor and respect in our society, as if the garment itself miraculously imbues the person with qualities not previously possessed.

Well, in fairness, he DID say "in countries that aren't a banana republic"

 

[Stevicus]

Well, in fairness, he DID say "in countries that aren't a banana republic"

Maybe, although I think that the idea that judges are somehow above politics has been an illusion all along. They may be a separate branch of government, but they're still part of government just the same.

I think the notion of the "black robe" tries to give off the impression that a judge is somehow equivalent to clergy - something that should be considered of higher character and morals than the typical politician or lawyer.

In England, the costumes for judges are even sillier. I often wondered why they did that, but I suppose it must be part of maintaining the illusion that judges should be viewed more as priests than politicians.

I still maintain that they're more like politicians and lawyers, since they're commonly drawn from that pool.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Maybe, although I think that the idea that judges are somehow above politics has been an illusion all along. They may be a separate branch of government, but they're still part of government just the same.

I think the notion of the "black robe" tries to give off the impression that a judge is somehow equivalent to clergy - something that should be considered of higher character and morals than the typical politician or lawyer.

In England, the costumes for judges are even sillier. I often wondered why they did that, but I suppose it must be part of maintaining the illusion that judges should be viewed more as priests than politicians.

I still maintain that they're more like politicians and lawyers, since they're commonly drawn from that pool.

Judges in England, and other Commonwealth countries dress silly because it's traditional, and are neither elected nor political appointments the way they are in the US. Frankly, the American legal system seems custom made to produce partisan and corrupt judiciary and prosecution.

 

[exchemist]

Judges in England, and other Commonwealth countries dress silly because it's traditional, and are neither elected nor political appointments the way they are in the US. Frankly, the American legal system seems custom made to produce partisan and corrupt judiciary and prosecution.

Reminds me of Presumin' Ed's experience in front of the judge in Withnail and I, as described by Danny the druggie. Presumin' Ed had appeared in court in a kaftan.

"The judge woz wearin' a sort of long white 'at. Judge says to Presumin'Ed " What do you mean by appearing in court dressed like that?" Presumin' Ed says to the judge: "You fink you look normal?" "C**t give him two years."

 

[Revoltingest]

No, you wrote “Is it closed minded to see a potential Supreme Court judge having to have the legal system explained to him as someone who is unfit for such a position?“ Saying he needs to have the legal system explained to him is certainly questioning his legal knowledge. As I wrote Judge Kavanaugh received he highest rating from the ABA and even the Democrats agree he knows the law and the legal system.

How he has behaved is quite understandable under his circumstances. There is no rule book for how a someone “should” behave when accused of sexual misconduct, particularly when they are innocent. “Flattering” or not, it is no disqualification whatsoever.

This brings up an interesting question....
Should we subject all SCOTUS nominees to such a stress test?
Would the other members of the court be able to endure such
accusations without crying, angering, & lashing out at the opposition?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Listening to some of the Democratic Senators yesterday I could claim the same about them. The Republicans went out of their way to make sure that Ford was treated politely. The Democrats, not so much when it came to Kavanaugh.

That could be because he was belligerent towards them, yelled their questions back at them and didn't answer a bunch of them.
Dr. Blasey-Ford did not act like that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's not what she's saying... I'll admit, that due to my selective reading / hearing, that I do not know who Cavanaugh is, and know nothing outside of the headlines. But from what I've heard on this video, it sounds like Cavanaugh rubbed a girls butt once when he was 18.

Who cares!

The accusation is actually that he and a friend ambushed her from behind, pushed her into a bedroom where he pinned her to the bed and covered her mouth with his hand, groped her and ground his body against hers while trying to take her clothes off. He was 17 at the time and the girl was 15. That's a bit more than rubbing a butt once at age 18, don'tcha think?