Trump supporter says groping no big deal. Daughters nod in agreement.

[Revoltingest]

I call bogus on this. What you call “uncontrolled scream” could as easily be called resolute passionate self defense. An innocent man wrongly accused could certainly be forgiven for being perturbed. The fact is no matter how he had acted some of his critics would still complain. If he was vociferous they would say he was unhinged, if he sat dispassionately they would say he was cold and obviously guilty because an innocent man would speak up passionately. Simply put, your mind was made up before the committee hearing and Judge Kavanaugh could say or do nothing to open your closed mind.

I suspect some sexism is at work in some judgments.
Kavanaugh was criticized for being emotional, teary, & angry.
But Ford...if a woman does the same, she's above criticism....someone is being mean to her.

Personally, I say a real man wouldn't cry or invoke religion.
But then I'm the type who makes even other neanderthals cringe.

 

[Stanyon]

The allegation in this case is that an underage girl was pinned down to a bed and gagged, while an older boy groped her and implicitly threatened her with rape.

I will have to find it again but I think this was the same woman that said she knew girls were being drugged and gang raped at certain peoples parties yet it was never reported it to the police, she also stated that she and her friends went to the same parties about ten times.

Does that make any sense to you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, men can wear panties if they want to. I will defend with my life @Revoltingest ’s right to wear whatever he wants under his kilt.

And I absolutely pledge never to touch whatever it is.

That is the problem. He wears a kilt and we all no what Scotsmen wear under those. Touching his panties might be an 'Invasion of privacy' but it could not be a sexual assault.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I suspect some sexism is at work in some judgments.
Kavanaugh was criticized for being emotional, teary, & angry.
But Ford...if a woman does the same, she's above criticism....someone is being mean to her.

Personally, I say a real man wouldn't cry or invoke religion.
But then I'm the type who makes even other neanderthals cringe.

I would expect poise and self control from any SC nominee, male or female. And I also expect a woman nominee to be crucified for losing their **** like Kavanaugh and plenty of Neanderthals going on about 'this is why women shouldn't be in politics, too emotional!'

Meanwhile, Ford was polite, deferential and accommodating. Kavanaugh was loud, angry and aggressive,and answered kess than half the questions asked.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would expect poise and self control from any SC nominee, male or female. And I also expect a woman nominee to be crucified for losing their **** like Kavanaugh and plenty of Neanderthals going on about 'this is why women shouldn't be in politics, too emotional!'

Perspectives sure can differ on such things, eh.

Meanwhile, Ford was polite, deferential and accommodating. Kavanaugh was loud, angry and aggressive,and answered kess than half the questions asked.

That sounds like behavior consistent with innocence......or guilt.
Either way, people will see it as evidence of what they already believe.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Kavanaugh could say or do nothing to open your closed mind.

The way he handled himself, there is no changing my mind that he should not be on the Supreme Court.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Perspectives sure can differ on such things, eh.

Yeah, some people are idiots.

That sounds like behavior consistent with innocence......or guilt.
Either way, people will see it as evidence of what they already believe.

It sounds like behavior consistant with someone who shouldn't be a SC nominee.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, some people are idiots.

It sounds like behavior consistant with someone who shouldn't be a SC nominee.

Exactly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly.

I hope that no one here is claiming that if he is guilty that does not disqualify him. Though we do have some rather extreme Trumpettes today. What there is are serious questions about the claims against Kavanaugh. Right now it looks as if there will be a delay while the FBI investigates.

EDIT: Oops strike that. I see that the committee voted 11-10 to sent the nomination through to the full senate. This may be an error on the Republicans part.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hope that no one here is claiming that if he is guilty that does not disqualify him.

I haven't seen anyone claim that.
For the record: It's a deal breaker for me.

Though we do have some rather extreme Trumpettes today. What there is are serious questions about the claims against Kavanaugh. Right now it looks as if there will be a delay while the FBI investigates.

And some rather extreme Trumpets.
One polarizing guy, eh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I haven't seen anyone claim that.
For the record: It's a deal breaker for me.

Me too obviously.

And some rather extreme Trumpets.
One polarizing guy, eh.

Even though both Bush and Obama were claimed to be that neither one comes even close to Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

Me too obviously.

Well, I did wonder.

 

[exchemist]

I call bogus on this. What you call “uncontrolled scream” could as easily be called resolute passionate self defense. An innocent man wrongly accused could certainly be forgiven for being perturbed. The fact is no matter how he had acted some of his critics would still complain. If he was vociferous they would say he was unhinged, if he sat dispassionately they would say he was cold and obviously guilty because an innocent man would speak up passionately. Simply put, your mind was made up before the committee hearing and Judge Kavanaugh could say or do nothing to open your closed mind.

To any Brit, and probably any Aussie, seeing a candidate for a top judicial position react like that is pretty shocking. I know judges are more political in the States, but to anyone used to the British type of judiciary, this sort of emotional lashing out and reaching for victimhood would make you think they don't have the requisite detachment and self-possession for the job.

I had no particular dog in this fight before, but I am now deeply unimpressed with Kavanaugh, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the allegation itself.

 

[exchemist]

I will have to find it again but I think this was the same woman that said she knew girls were being drugged and gang raped at certain peoples parties yet it was never reported it to the police, she also stated that she and her friends went to the same parties about ten times.

Does that make any sense to you?

No. None at all.

It was someone else who said that. Suggest you check your facts. There are three different women involved.

 

[Father Heathen]

At times I think "edge lord" is a more accurate description.

Yeah, it's pretty cartoonish, low-level stuff.

 

[Father Heathen]

To any Brit, and probably any Aussie, seeing a candidate for a top judicial position react like that is pretty shocking. I know judges are more political in the States, but to anyone used to the British type of judiciary, this sort of emotional lashing out and reaching for victimhood would make you think they don't have the requisite detachment and self-possession for the job.

I had no particular dog in this fight before, but I am now deeply unimpressed with Kavanaugh, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the allegation itself.

Political figures in the U.S., particularly on the right, posses no self awareness, much less a sense of decorum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Political figures in the U.S., particularly on the right, posses no self awareness, much less a sense of decorum.

Listening to some of the Democratic Senators yesterday I could claim the same about them. The Republicans went out of their way to make sure that Ford was treated politely. The Democrats, not so much when it came to Kavanaugh.

 

[Father Heathen]

You think Liberals are far Left? And where is this attempt to "burn a witch on accusation alone?"

These people are so blindly loyal that they delude themselves into believing that their political heroes are incapable of any wrong, thus any criticism or accusations are some vast conspiracy. It's pretty pathetic.

 

[Revoltingest]

You think Liberals are far Left? And where is this attempt to "burn a witch on accusation alone?"

There are those who are convinced that accusation alone is enuf to condemn.
Exempli gratia....
WATCH: Jeff Flake Confronted By Protestors in Jawdropping Moment — You’re Telling Women ‘They Don’t Matter!’

A woman who identified as a sexual assault survivor told Flake, “What you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit on the Supreme Court! This is not tolerable! You have children in your family. Think about them! I have two children. I cannot imagine that for the next 50 years they will have to have someone in the Supreme Court who has been accused of violating a young girl. What are you doing,

Yes, I intended to look pretentious with the Latin.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, it's pretty cartoonish, low-level stuff.

Yup. There is a reason we can say Satanism is morally superior to Christianity - which inherently means it isn't "do whatever you want." Showing respect to others and the prohibition against non-consensual sexual contact are pretty common throughout the LHP. Not hitting kids is also pretty common.