Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

[Punta Piñal]

My hunch is that he is more of a friend of Israel than previous Presidents. And also less afraid to be bold in word and deed than his predecessors towards enemies.

For better or for worse, this guy is not afraid to verbally attack and threaten the North Korea's. Iran's, Cuba's, Syria's, etc. of this world. These are indeed bad governments and now that Trump has a position of power he can use it to muscle the countries he can muscle. His predecessors by comparison seemed to walk on egg shells.

I am beginning to consider that foreign policy may be a left-handed strength of Trump. I think the South Korea leader even wants Trump nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

The fact that Obama has a reputation of being an "anti-Israel" president demonstrates the power of the neocon press. Obama gave Israel "bunker-buster" weapons, vetoed U.N. critique of Israeli settlements, worked with Israeli intelligence to electronically attack Iranian energy facilities, signed into law a bill effectively putting Israel on a par with NATO members, helped make the U.S. a top destination for Israeli exports, and even agreed to sell Israel highly sensitive military technology. Obama gave Israel more aid than any U.S. president since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948, including the biggest military aid package on record. And now Trump and his Revisionist Zionist friends blast Obama for being "anti-Israel," simply because he passed the Iran deal. That's how nutty the right-wing—and, sadly, too many other—Zionists are: everything short of nuclear war (or some other Dr. Strangelove-type "final solution") seemingly isn't enough.

Besides, "verbally attacking and threatening" is the very thing the neocons hated Obama for. The so-called "red line" in Syria was precisely the paper-tiger toothlessness they supposedly abhor, at least when a Democrat is in office. Yet Trump has engaged in the very same behaviour on the Korean issue. The truth is that most of foreign policy takes place behind the curtain, and that one only speaks when one is prepared to back up one's words with deeds. This applies to every single U.S. administration, regardless of its political affiliation. Besides, if the South Koreans really wanted more "fire-and-fury" rhetoric, they wouldn't have supported the first-ever inter-Korean peace talks, including a peace treaty to terminate the Korean War. After all, residents of Seoul would be the first to be incinerated in the event of a war, as the North would fire heavy artillery in response to a U.S.-driven intervention.

 

[LuisDantas]

I tend to avoid political analysis offered by comedians. (Have we really sunk that low?)
BTW: "This video is not available."

Yes, we have.

 

[LuisDantas]

I believe this is exactly right. In Trump's mind he has no choice but to wipe Obama's name from everything he has the authority to do so.

It sure seems to be the most likely explanation.

Also, Trump does not betray any ability to think on a more sophisticated level than that.

 

[Underhill]

It was a terrible deal from the get go and if the new/old information from Israel recently is accurate the Iranians were not honest to begin with and lied about the depth of their work to acquire nuclear weapons. In effect, the Iranians voided the deal from day one due to their dishonesty with the other negotiating parties. I don't fault Obama too much, he just chose to believe their lies all the while fully expecting that they would not honor their part of the bargain. Deals don't get much worse than this one.

Yeah, because the Israelis don't have an axe to grind in this. They were against the deal, any deal, from the beginning.

I see no evidence of this being a terrible deal outside of rhetoric. But if I am wrong, feel free to demonstrate your point without pointing the finger at the sworn enemy of Iran.

 

[YmirGF]

Yeah, because the Israelis don't have a axe to grind in this. They were against the deal, any deal, from the beginning.

I see no evidence of this being a terrible deal outside of rhetoric. But if I am wrong, feel free to demonstrate your point without pointing the finger at the sworn enemy of Iran.

Why bother?

 

[LuisDantas]

Yeah, because the Israelis don't have a axe to grind in this. They were against the deal, any deal, from the beginning.

I see no evidence of this being a terrible deal outside of rhetoric. But if I am wrong, feel free to demonstrate your point without pointing the finger at the sworn enemy of Iran.

How or why do you perceive this way of describing things more fair than pointing out that Iran is the sworn enemy of Israel?

 

[Underhill]

How or why do you perceive this way of describing things more fair than pointing out that Iran is the sworn enemy of Israel?

Because I have read probably a dozen articles from reasonably reliable sources and none of them support the assertion that this was a bad deal. The only people who I see making that claim are either a) dyed in the wool Trump supporters or b) those who have bought the rhetoric from Israel.

 

[columbus]

I've seen virtually no evidence, whatsoever, that the beloved mullahs in Iran are worthy of anything approaching respect or trust.

As opposed to who? The USA?

Iran has been under assault by the USA since the 50s. From propping up the Shah to launching a devastating war using Saddam Hussein, the list is long.
They want nukes to protect themselves against a couple of nuclear threats, the USA and Israel. And when there was finally a chance to slow it all down and begin to improve relations and lessen the threat Trump reminded them that the USA cannot be trusted.
Again.
Trump just killed much of the credibility left that the USA is even capable of negotiating in good faith. Why should anybody like Iran even bother coming to the table? The USA president is no longer able to hold negotiations.
Tom

 

[LuisDantas]

Because I have read probably a dozen articles from reasonably reliable sources and none of them support the assertion that this was a bad deal. The only people who I see making that claim are either a) dyed in the wool Trump supporters or b) those who have bought the rhetoric from Israel.

Oh, that is something else entirely.

Leaving the Iran nuclear deal is exceedingly irresponsible and destructive. I could not agree more.

 

[`mud]

BIG FREAKING MISTAKE !!!

 

[columbus]

Oh, that is something else entirely.

Leaving the Iran nuclear deal is exceedingly irresponsible and destructive. I could not agree more.

And if Russia, the EU, and China all stay connected to the Iranians, then about all Trump is going to accomplish is undercutting USA interests in Iran and the region. Iran doesn't need anything from us.

I honestly believe that furthering Russian ambition in the Gulf Oil region is why Russia wanted a weak and divisive president in the White House. And boy is Trump delivering.
Tom

 

[Phantasman]

Israeli intelligence is the the best in the region. I see no reason to doubt that Iran never lived up to their part of the "agreement". Trump just left something that died long ago.

Time to do it right.

 

[Phantasman]

As opposed to who? The USA?

Iran has been under assault by the USA since the 50s. From propping up the Shah to launching a devastating war using Saddam Hussein, the list is long.
They want nukes to protect themselves against a couple of nuclear threats, the USA and Israel. And when there was finally a chance to slow it all down and begin to improve relations and lessen the threat Trump reminded them that the USA cannot be trusted.
Again.
Trump just killed much of the credibility left that the USA is even capable of negotiating in good faith. Why should anybody like Iran even bother coming to the table? The USA president is no longer able to hold negotiations.
Tom

Maybe you should go visit Iran. It may change your mind when you see how you're treated. Don't forget to take the wife.

 

[columbus]

Maybe you should go visit Iran. It may change your mind when you see how you're treated. Don't forget to take the wife.

What's that supposed to mean?

I am talking about the fact that Iran, as it is, is largely the product of the USA violence over the decades. The pretense that Iran is a dangerous threat or an aggressor or something is pitifully ignorant.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I predict disaster if Trump withdraws from the agreement.
But it's not a done deal, & could be a negotiating ploy.
We shall see if he's crazy or shrewd.
Either way, I loathe his style.

 

[YmirGF]

The decision is now history.

Trump declares US leaving 'horrible' Iran nuclear accord

Let the doom and gloom commence!

I predict disaster if Trump withdraws from the agreement.
But it's not a done deal, & could be a negotiating ploy.
We shall see if he's crazy or shrewd.
Either way, I loathe his style.

Technically correct. There is room to renegotiate the deal.
Hopefully, the Iranians will equally loathe his style.

 

[`mud]

He's bat crap crazy !!
& shrewd as a rock !!

 

[Revoltingest]

Technically correct. There is room to renegotiate the deal.
Hopefully, the Iranians will equally loathe his style.

No doubt.
Nukes now look essential for them, given the Israeli
threats of pre-emptive attack, & the deadly US history.

Handling Iran was Obama's greatest success.
For Trump, it looms as his greatest failure.

 

[columbus]

Israeli intelligence is the the best in the region. I see no reason to doubt that Iran never lived up to their part of the "agreement". Trump just left something that died long ago.

Time to do it right.

Netanyahu unveiled documents seized by Israeli intelligence showed Iran had attempted to develop a nuclear bomb in the previous decade, especially before 2003. Although he gave no explicit evidence that Iran violated the deal, he said Iran had clearly lied in the past and could not be trusted.

Is this what you're talking about?
How is Trump going to "do it right" with no support from the rest of the world and no credibility that the USA can nnegotiate in good faith?
Tom

 

[YmirGF]

Handling Iran was Obama's greatest success.

Ah, the joys of low expectations, eh?

For Trump, it looms as his greatest failure.

Naw, I'm sure he can do much gooder than this.