Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

[YmirGF]

Terrible deal? The deal was better than the previous situation. RW performance artists all day long praising this. Totally political. And of course mentioning the $150 billion payment on the tarmac with pure cash on pallets. The sad part is the RW audience thinks Obama just gave them $150 billion of tax payer money.

RW media demonizing the Iran deal for years on end. Only for political gain. They would never EVER let their audience know the details.

This is what we get when a populace is low information. It's their media that's to blame.

Your spin is always so amusing.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Arabia has areas for Americans to drink and frolic.

Because only Americans matter.

If we would have opened ANWR 8 years ago, and the Keystone pipeline, we could be oil independent by now. Trump finally did it, and we are years from complete independence. We still get most imported oil from Canada. Which was why Keystone was so important.

Because destroying our land for a finite resources is a smart idea when we could spend that money and invest in an alternate energy source that could possible put us on top again. But we love being slaves to oil companies.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

No, some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. The Saudi's have only made rumblings about a nuclear program because of the existential thread of a nuclear Iran. If you are good with a mid-east mini arms race forgive me if I am somewhat alarmed.

I just can't stand our american hypocrisy at times.

 

[YmirGF]

I just can't stand our american hypocrisy at times.

I do hear ya. There is so much misinformation and spin that it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[tytlyf]

Your spin is always so amusing.

Which part?

 

[YmirGF]

Which part?

Almost everything.

 

[columbus]

Almost everything.

Like what?
The cash Iran got was their own. It had been frozen in USA bank accounts years before.
But the right wing media commonly spun that as Obama "giving" them money, as opposed to "giving back" their own money.
That's where the spin was and I know it happened. I know that a large number of low information people believed that it was taxpayer money, because that's what they understood the media to be saying. Some posted here on RF.
Tom

 

[tytlyf]

Almost everything.

Well, I'm used to not receiving answers from conservatives. Let's talk about if what I said is spin. As an atheist, I take great pride in not lying. I do my best to make sure I don't.

Remember, I watch your media all the time. I know what they do and what they don't. I guess if you demonize (propagandize) a deal 24/7 365, people will tend to believe the lies.

Go ahead, point out my spin.

 

[YmirGF]

Like what?
The cash Iran got was their own. It had been frozen in USA bank accounts years before.
But the right wing media commonly spun that as Obama "giving" them money, as opposed to "giving back" their own money.
That's where the spin was and I know it happened. I know that a large number of low information people believed that it was taxpayer money, because that's what they understood the media to be saying. Some posted here on RF.
Tom

I am quite aware of the true nature of the monies in question. I've certainly never bought into that narrative.

 

[columbus]

Almost everything.

Right wing media has also been demonizing Iran since they took their country back from US puppet Shah Pahlavi.
Are you claiming differently?
Tom

 

[columbus]

I am quite aware of the true nature of the monies in question. I've certainly never bought into that narrative.

No, tytlyf did and you dismissed it as "spin".
Tom

 

[YmirGF]

Well, I'm used to not receiving answers from conservatives. Let's talk about if what I said is spin. As an atheist, I take great pride in not lying. I do my best to make sure I don't.

As a 'strong' atheist conservative I also enjoy saying the truth as I see it.

 

[YmirGF]

Well, I'm used to not receiving answers from conservatives. Let's talk about if what I said is spin. As an atheist, I take great pride in not lying. I do my best to make sure I don't.

Remember, I watch your media all the time. I know what they do and what they don't. I guess if you demonize (propagandize) a deal 24/7 365, people will tend to believe the lies.

Go ahead, point out my spin.

This is a great example, actually. Given that I am not a Faux watcher and rarely, if ever, watch RW commentators, it's a bit rich to refer to them as MY media. I am willing to agree that I am not your typical conservative, but in that sense, perhaps I am more typical than you would be inclined to believe. What may confuse you is that I am a Canadian conservative, which likely puts me somewhere between Keith Ellison and Nancy Pelosi, LOL. (Just kidding. I'm not THAT crazy.)

 

[tytlyf]

I am quite aware of the true nature of the monies in question. I've certainly never bought into that narrative.

So you agree it's not spin about the $150 billion? I was listening to Rush for a couple hours today and he never mentioned a single thing about the details of that payment. Leaving the audience with the insinuation that Obama just handed them all that money to 'buy peace.'

You see, RW performance artists don't necessarily have to lie in words. They'll intentionally leave out pertinent information to shape the end narrative. IOW, hoping the audience believes one thing without actually saying it.

 

[YmirGF]

So you agree it's not spin about the $150 billion? I was listening to Rush for a couple hours today and he never mentioned a single thing about the details of that payment. Leaving the audience with the insinuation that Obama just handed them all that money to 'buy peace.'

You see, RW performance artists don't necessarily have to lie in words. They'll intentionally leave out pertinent information to shape the end narrative. IOW, hoping the audience believes one thing without actually saying it.

Oh, sort of like how you (and most everyone) leaves stuff out that warps a given narrative. Honestly, @tytlyf EVERYTHING these days is spin. EVERYTHING. There is a RW echo chamber and there is an LW echo chamber. Then there are those caught in the crossfire in the no man's land centre. Even now traditional liberals, like myself from a few years back, are tarred as being part of the problem because we refuse to encamp with one pack or the other. Again, if you do not sense spin, you are not listening very carefully.

 

[tytlyf]

As a 'strong' atheist conservative I also enjoy saying the truth as I see it.

I bet you don't go around telling conservatives you're an atheist. RW media does a number on that line amongst the herd. I don't tell the truth as I say fit. I tell the truth after doing my best to make sure it's honest as possible.

This is a great example, actually. Given that I am not a Faux watcher and rarely, if ever, watch RW commentators, it's a bit rich to refer to them as MY media. I am willing to agree that I am not your typical conservative, but in that sense, perhaps I am more typical than you would be inclined to believe. What may confuse you is that I am a Canadian conservative, which likely puts me somewhere between Keith Ellison and Nancy Pelosi, LOL. (Just kidding. I'm not THAT crazy.)

You don't have to watch Fox to get the same echo chamber effect. Listen to any RW performance artist and they all repeat what Fox already says. Same thing with Rush. These people are grifters and intentionally taking advantage of conservatives for political/monetary gain.

The republican establishment controls your favorite RW outlets. Any random opinions you hear won't be original. The emotional trickery is just underneath the surface of the message they're telling you.

 

[tytlyf]

It's like how RW media says the Russia influence during the election didn't change any votes. It is true that no votes were changed at voting machines. The votes were changed before the person got the the ballot. People were swayed to support Trump. I believe the election was lost by 70,000 total votes out of the states.

I believe that what the Russians did changed more than 1 vote. This stuff is high level intellectual trickery. It can't be obvious, but the results can be proven.

 

[YmirGF]

I bet you don't go around telling conservatives you're an atheist.

You would be quite wrong about that. I do just that and most are quite accepting. Go figure.

I tell the truth after doing my best to make sure it's honest as possible.

I only claim to do precisely the same. So why do our tangents not coincide? Oh right.... *sigh* Your "spin" explains in the following...

You don't have to watch Fox to get the same echo chamber effect. Listen to any RW performance artist and they all repeat what Fox already says. Same thing with Rush. These people are grifters and intentionally taking advantage of conservatives for political/monetary gain.

Then I'd advise you to look around because it isn't that way for many conservative speakers and for god sake, stop listening to Rush. Jeeez.

The republican establishment controls your favorite RW outlets

Vapid speculation. You have no idea who or what I am reading and viewing. You really need to break out of the certainty of your own self-created bubble.

Any random opinions you hear won't be original.

I could not disagree more. Anyways, how would you even determine that? Sounds almost Alex Jonesish.

The emotional trickery is just underneath the surface of the message they're telling you.

I am probably far more aware of psychological machinations than you are my friend.

It's like how RW media says the Russia influence during the election didn't change any votes. It is true that no votes were changed at voting machines. The votes were changed before the person got the the ballot. People were swayed to support Trump. I believe the election was lost by 70,000 total votes out of the states.

I believe that what the Russians did changed more than 1 vote. This stuff is high level intellectual trickery. It can't be obvious, but the results can be proven.

So 42% of the electorate (which is MILLIONS of people) staying home during such an important election is nothing? 42% of Americans could have voted for Saint Hillary and ushered in a new golden era and yet a measly 70,000 votes is somehow important. Right. Now that's a smokin analysis.

 

[LuisDantas]

Terrible deal? The deal was better than the previous situation. RW performance artists all day long praising this. Totally political. And of course mentioning the $150 billion payment on the tarmac with pure cash on pallets. The sad part is the RW audience thinks Obama just gave them $150 billion of tax payer money.

RW media demonizing the Iran deal for years on end. Only for political gain. They would never EVER let their audience know the details.

This is what we get when a populace is low information. It's their media that's to blame.

I could not agree more.

 

[Phantasman]

Because only Americans matter.



Because destroying our land for a finite resources is a smart idea when we could spend that money and invest in an alternate energy source that could possible put us on top again. But we love being slaves to oil companies.

What matters is money. We are all slaves to it in one way or another.