Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

[Akivah]

I predict disaster if Trump withdraws from the agreement.
But it's not a done deal, & could be a negotiating ploy.
We shall see if he's crazy or shrewd.
Either way, I loathe his style.

The agreement was voided from the start. The recently released documents from Iran proves that Iran never lived up to its obligations from the start. I see no point to having an agreement in which the US was the only side carrying out its obligations. There is no agreement to withdraw from, there is just a recognition of reality.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, the joys of low expectations, eh?

It's not about expectations.
Just looking at Obama's record, I give credit for resisting calls to attack Iran.

Naw, I'm sure he can do much gooder than this.

I hope you get to say "I told you so".

 

[Revoltingest]

The agreement was voided from the start.

Were that true, Trump wouldn't have voided it.

The recently released documents from Iran proves that Iran never lived up to its obligations from the start.

Proof?

I see no point to having an agreement in which the US was the only side carrying out its obligations. There is no agreement to withdraw from, there is just a recognition of reality.

Well, we have different foreign policy goals & values.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Maybe you should go visit Iran. It may change your mind when you see how you're treated. Don't forget to take the wife.

Is this before or after our trip to Saudi Arabia? I mean we could really talk about the humanitarian issues in the middle east, but were not allowed to talk about countries that give us oil.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Trump Tells [French President] Macron the U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal

I suspect Trump is at least in part -- and perhaps more than merely in part -- motivated by a fierce yet petty desire to spite Obama, who forged the deal.

But why I would think a moron incapable of understanding the deal in the first place would yet once again do something merely to spite Obama, and not for any rational reasons, is utterly beyond me. Call it a mere hunch.

Comments?

Why do we care about Iran getting Nukes in the first place?

 

[YmirGF]

Why do we care about Iran getting Nukes in the first place?

Due to the fact that they have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel over a long period of time?

 

[Phantasman]

Is this what you're talking about?
How is Trump going to "do it right" with no support from the rest of the world and no credibility that the USA can nnegotiate in good faith?
Tom

Yep. France, Germany, and Great Britain that are attacked relentlessly by terrorists usually financed by Iranian interests. We lead, not follow (them). Iran needs to stop the terror. If it doesn't, the nuclear option means nothing.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Due to the fact that they have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel over a long period of time?

And? Last time I check Israel was quite capable of defending itself, so why is it any of our business?

 

[YmirGF]

And? Last time I check Israel was quite capable of defending itself, so why is it any of our business?

Because Iran is the #1 supporter of and exporter of terrorism in the world today?

 

[Shad]

Trump Tells [French President] Macron the U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal

I suspect Trump is at least in part -- and perhaps more than merely in part -- motivated by a fierce yet petty desire to spite Obama, who forged the deal.

But why I would think a moron incapable of understanding the deal in the first place would yet once again do something merely to spite Obama, and not for any rational reasons, is utterly beyond me. Call it a mere hunch.

Comments?

The deal was a bribe, nothing more. Iran took a play from NK by making noise to get what they wanted. Although I do not think for a second Trump would be against a similar deal if it benefited him or his goals. I am looking at Trump and NK to see if my belief is correct.

 

[Phantasman]

What's that supposed to mean?

I am talking about the fact that Iran, as it is, is largely the product of the USA violence over the decades. The pretense that Iran is a dangerous threat or an aggressor or something is pitifully ignorant.
Tom

Boy, are you out of touch.

https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publi...e-memos/2016/responsetoregionalaggression.pdf

 

[YmirGF]

Boy, are you out of touch.

https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publi...e-memos/2016/responsetoregionalaggression.pdf

Aipac isn't exactly an unbiased site. Jus' sayin...

 

[Revoltingest]

Due to the fact that they have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel over a long period of time?

They haven't actually taken steps to do that.
But they did suffer.....
- A coup at the hands of the CIA.
- A million deaths in our proxy war (using Iraq) against them.
- Chemical weapon attacks with US support.

Their anger at this, & fear that we will once again attack them
(as Hillary threatened) would motivate any country to emulate
the MAD strategy we & the Soviets employed for decades.
My advice....
Don't look for reasons to escalate conflict. War has high costs.
We're around 2 trillion dollars worse off with the Iraq war, & Iran
is a more formidable foe. Is seeking a fight worth it?
Instead find a path to peaceful accord....something we're abandoning.

 

[pearl]

When the original deal went through the Israeli military saw it as a positive.
Israeli Generals Back Nuclear Deal With Iran — Split With Netanyahu

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Because Iran is the #1 supporter of and exporter of terrorism in the world today?

But yet we don't care when Saudi Arabia promotes terrorism. Hmm

 

[Phantasman]

Is this before or after our trip to Saudi Arabia? I mean we could really talk about the humanitarian issues in the middle east, but were not allowed to talk about countries that give us oil.

Arabia has areas for Americans to drink and frolic.

If we would have opened ANWR 8 years ago, and the Keystone pipeline, we could be oil independent by now. Trump finally did it, and we are years from complete independence. We still get most imported oil from Canada. Which was why Keystone was so important.

 

[YmirGF]

But yet we don't care when Saudi Arabia promotes terrorism. Hmm

No, some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. The Saudi's have only made rumblings about a nuclear program because of the existential thread of a nuclear Iran. If you are good with a mid-east mini arms race forgive me if I am somewhat alarmed.

 

[Phantasman]

Aipac isn't exactly an unbiased site. Jus' sayin...

Everything on the net is biased. You choose what you want to believe.

 

[YmirGF]

Everything on the net is biased. You choose what you want to believe.

Don't pee on folks who are on your side. Jus' sayin...

 

[tytlyf]

It was a terrible deal from the get go and if the new/old information from Israel recently is accurate the Iranians were not honest to begin with and lied about the depth of their work to acquire nuclear weapons. In effect, the Iranians voided the deal from day one due to their dishonesty with the other negotiating parties. I don't fault Obama too much, he just chose to believe their lies all the while fully expecting that they would not honor their part of the bargain. Deals don't get much worse than this one.

Terrible deal? The deal was better than the previous situation. RW performance artists all day long praising this. Totally political. And of course mentioning the $150 billion payment on the tarmac with pure cash on pallets. The sad part is the RW audience thinks Obama just gave them $150 billion of tax payer money.

RW media demonizing the Iran deal for years on end. Only for political gain. They would never EVER let their audience know the details.

This is what we get when a populace is low information. It's their media that's to blame.