Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

[Mister Emu]

But what's also terribly important is that it tells all, including our allies, that this administration cannot be trusted to apply any agreement that we may have signed or may sign in the future

Perhaps Obama shouldn't have made such a major diplomatic decision unilaterally and instead gotten the consent of congress in order to make a binding treaty. Live by "I have a pen and phone", die by "I have a pen and phone."

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you all for your considerable thoughts. Obviously, there is nothing left for me to discuss as I am hopelessly deluded on the particulars of the topic, mislead by forces beyond my control, unwilling to look at facts, and am just plain gloating over seeing another Obama era edifice crumble into the dust. No doubt there are racist reasons behind that glee too.

Again, thanks so much, to so many posters, for setting me straight about how fabulous a deal this has been all along.

 

[metis]

The "deal" was horrible and didn't even provide the means to ensure that it was being followed. Inspections at sites beyond a single facility required notice and could be delayed after that notice for months, allowing any evidence to evaporate.

False, as such equipment simply isn't that mobile. There simply is not one shred of evidence that they have not complied. Also, radioactivity detectors can tell if a site has been used recently.

Even if Iran follows the deal in spirit, at the end of the day they still get nukes and all the benefits of having sanctions removed for over a decade.

But then a new agreement could be in order when that time arrives, so one shouldn't prejudge what might happen then.

My only hope is that the other signatories to the agreement stay with it and that they will work through the obstacles that the U.S. may impose. What the Trump administration has clearly shown is that the U.S. cannot be trusted and that bluster and saber-rattling is what we now what we specialize in with him at the helm.

Is this reckless action going to bring about peace?

 

[YmirGF]

Perhaps Obama shouldn't have made such a major diplomatic decision unilaterally and instead gotten the consent of congress in order to make a binding treaty. Live by "I have a pen and phone", die by "I have a pen and phone."

Oh, my dear @Mister Emu , like me, you are clearly delusional for doubting the inherent genius of this incredible deal. How dare you imply that Saint Obama committed his country to a significant agreement that members of the legislative branch were not even consulted on. No, wait, that is pretty well what he did. Hmmm. Damned facts again.

 

[LuisDantas]

There wouldn't appear to be any point in discussing it.

Yes, I would bet that there is none.

It is too bad. An actual shame.

 

[metis]

Perhaps Obama shouldn't have made such a major diplomatic decision unilaterally and instead gotten the consent of congress in order to make a binding treaty. Live by "I have a pen and phone", die by "I have a pen and phone."

Have you forgotten the make-up of Congress back then? Remember the "Party of No"? Remember how they voted against some their own previous proposals to reflect McConnell's saying that their #1 objective was to try and stop Obama from being reelected?

 

[YmirGF]

Yes, I would bet that there is none.

It is too bad. An actual shame.

I know, I'm just so terribly ashamed. I thought I was past the delusional phase and I just want to thank all of you good folks for pointing out how very wrong I am.

 

[YmirGF]

Have you forgotten the make-up of Congress back then? Remember the "Party of No"? Remember how they voted against some their own previous proposals to reflect McConnell's saying that their #1 objective was to try and stop Obama from being reelected?

Seriously, and to think the ******** are STILL in power. It's enough to get a grown man to weep.

 

[metis]

Oh, my dear @Mister Emu , like me, you are clearly delusional for doubting the inherent genius of this incredible deal. How dare you imply that Saint Obama committed his country to a significant agreement that members of the legislative branch were not even consulted on. No, wait, that is pretty well what he did. Hmmm. Damned facts again.

And just how many e.o.'s has Trump signed, and how does that compare to how many Obama signed at the same time in his presidency?

So, ya, you're right: "Damned facts".

 

[YmirGF]

And just how many e.o.'s has Trump signed, and how does that compare to how many Obama signed at the same time in his presidency?

So, ya, you're right: "Damned facts".

You left out the # of golf games. Tsk, tsk.

 

[metis]

You left out the # of golf games. Tsk, tsk.

Golf is for men with small balls. I prefer bowling.

 

[YmirGF]

Golf is for men with small balls. I prefer bowling.

Are you imply that President Obama had.... Oh, never mind...

 

[esmith]

Seems some thought it was flawed to start with.


7 Lawmakers Who Opposed Iran Deal And Trump’s Decision to Withdraw From It

 

[esmith]

Golf is for men with small balls. I prefer bowling.

Don't like being outdoors huh?

 

[LuisDantas]

I know, I'm just so terribly ashamed. I thought I was past the delusional phase and I just want to thank all of you good folks for pointing out how very wrong I am.

How about presenting what you mean by consolidation, or how it is a good thing that there will be no further deterrents to Iran developing nuclear weapons?

 

[YmirGF]

How about presenting what you mean by consolidation, or how it is a good thing that there will be no further deterrents to Iran developing nuclear weapons?

Why? Any information I have is obviously very wrong. What's the point?

 

[Shad]

Gave up 97% of its stockpiled uranium.

To Russia......

 

[YmirGF]

To Russia......

Hater.

 

[Underhill]

To Russia......

Who cares?

 

[Underhill]

The "deal" was horrible and didn't even provide the means to ensure that it was being followed. Inspections at sites beyond a single facility required notice and could be delayed after that notice for months, allowing any evidence to evaporate. Even if Iran follows the deal in spirit, at the end of the day they still get nukes and all the benefits of having sanctions removed for over a decade.

Much like the other major international agreement that Trump lead America into leaving, to the consternation of many, it was more about self-congratulatory back patting for the appearance of doing something than real solutions.

You cannot just move evidence of nuclear material. This stuff has a bad habit of hanging around for long periods of time...