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Trump tries a stunt at Arlington National Cemetery and it fails horribly:

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Then you need to go talk to trump supporters about that.
As I stated the whole group thinks rules dont apply to them. They all think they are above it all.

I accidentally misstated your position by saying "liberals" where you said "politicians", so I went back and corrected the typo in my original post. I still think it valid to ask why you made that generalization in response to a statement about Trump alone. It is the kind of generalization that we hear from Trump himself--that the other side is crooked, so... (He never admits that he is, but the idea is that payback is fair.)

Trump does things like personal attacks because he isn't a good person.

Trump engages in an unusual amount of personal attacks on everyone he thinks of as an enemy of any kind. It is childish behavior, regardless why he does it. It is one of the things that makes it unsuitable for him to be president.


But yet when Kamala does it the excuse you all use to justify it is "Trump does it" but I reckon you see that as different.

Yes, they are attacking him on personal issues, albeit less frequently and less viciously. Outside of a few fairly harmless jibes (like obsession with hand size and crowd size), they can actually point to things that are true and in the public record about his personal conduct--disregard for rules and laws, deliberate lies, threats of violence, urging followers to break the law, petty grifting). If you are trying to make an equivalence here, it is pretty obviously a false one. Harris and Walz don't behave this way habitually towards a large number of perceived enemies. They don't make up a lot of demeaning names for him and others. They spend a lot more time talking about substantive issues regarding Trump's record, politics, and government policies.

I'm not a party loyalist.
I don't like either party.
I will make fun of, criticize, laugh at, point out BS from both parties and candidates.
Neither likes it when its against their side but oh well.

You do criticize Republicans and Trump occasionally, but far more rarely and less enthusiastically than you criticize Democrats and liberals. You tend to promote a lot of Republican talking points and almost none of the Democratic ones. You don't have to be a MAGA zealot to be a party loyalist. You just have to regularly promote the interests of one of the two major parties. That doesn't mean that you automatically believe everything in the party platform, but don't pretend that you have no political biases.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
I believe the military changed some rules after the Biden/Trump feud over the Afghanistan withdrawal.

There are pictures/articles from May of 2020 where Biden and his wife were there with family members of someone who is laid to rest there.

Edit. Not giving a thumbs up and grinning though.

That's true, but wreathe-laying ceremonies like that are legal and standard for office holders. Pictures of those ceremonies might help politicians when they run for reelection, but the purpose of the ceremonies is not to generate a photo op for such campaigns. It is to officially honor those who served the country in war. As for Afghanistan, that is a red herring here. The law is clear that electioneering is not allowed in military cemeteries such as Arlington. The "feud" over Afghanistan is the political issue that makes the event electioneering rather than just honoring a fallen hero. Trump is not an elected official. He was there to campaign in a presidential election. He even posted the video of his attendance with a musical soundtrack. Could it be any clearer?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Trump's stunt certainly won't help him get any more favor from voters who are on the bubble about him and Harris. He must believe that anyone still uncertain about who to vote for will be impressed by a candidate that breaks rules and defies traditions of honor. My guess is that Trump has a history of disrespect, and he must continute this habit to not appear wishy washy. Then contrast that with his wishy washy position of the Florida 6 week ban on abortion access.

What astounds me is how much deference Trump and MAGAs get for rather unacceptable behaviors that would be intolerable if a democrat did it. We can see the obvious double standard, but what is exusable for Trump is nearly any criminal act. It's not just unethical any more, it is outright criminal acts that his followers excuse and ignore. If Trump loses I worry that more of these followers will be willing to commit criminal acts themselves, even more brazen than Jan 6.

The good news is that the federal government and many states are preparing for these MAGA stunts and potential criminal acts.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Trump's stunt certainly won't help him get any more favor from voters who are on the bubble about him and Harris. He must believe that anyone still uncertain about who to vote for will be impressed by a candidate that breaks rules and defies traditions of honor. My guess is that Trump has a history of disrespect, and he must continute this habit to not appear wishy washy. Then contrast that with his wishy washy position of the Florida 6 week ban on abortion access.

What astounds me is how much deference Trump and MAGAs get for rather unacceptable behaviors that would be intolerable if a democrat did it. We can see the obvious double standard, but what is exusable for Trump is nearly any criminal act. It's not just unethical any more, it is outright criminal acts that his followers excuse and ignore. If Trump loses I worry that more of these followers will be willing to commit criminal acts themselves, even more brazen than Jan 6.

The good news is that the federal government and many states are preparing for these MAGA stunts and potential criminal acts.

OK, but here is another interpretation of how this stunt helps Donald Trump. A major Republican talking point, which is designed to mitigate the sting of Donald Trump's past convictions and pending trials, is that Democrats have weaponized the government by engaging in "lawfare"--the use of lawsuits to damage or delegitimize their opponents. (Never mind that Donald Trump, the most litigious politician in history, engages in lawfare routinely to damage people with frivolous lawsuits.) So he goes to Arlington and openly violates a rule grounded in law. Now Democrats howl for legal retribution. Another example of "lawfare" by Democrats to discredit Trump's technically breaking a minor law. After all, there's all those pictures of Democratic officeholders in National Cemeteries. IOW, this plays into a familiar theme among millions of Americans--that Trump is always being unfairly targeted for the same things that Democrats do. You can point out that Democrats could not get away with the same kind of stunt, but that is a hypothetical argument that is easy to doubt.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe the military changed some rules after the Biden/Trump feud over the Afghanistan withdrawal.

There are pictures/articles from May of 2020 where Biden and his wife were there with family members of someone who is laid to rest there.

Edit. Not giving a thumbs up and grinning though.
Also not during a political campaign. Or even worse publicizing the pictures on his website. In 2018 Trump got into trouble for not making an appearance at Arlington National Cemetery on veterans day. A day that the President does often visit. He made up for it about a month later in an unannounced visit. It was almost certainly for some publicity as well, but at least he had the proper decorum in this visit:

 

Spice

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We Never Know

No Slack
I have two problems with this:
1.How do you supposedly know this, and...
2.please beware of false equivalencies.
Well there aren't any studies I am aware of so one has to look at what happens in the real world to regular people vs politicians and the elite when rules are broken.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
All the Democrats have is gossip. You would be better off talking policy. All you have is gossip. There is even gossip trying to fill in the policy blanks for Harris.

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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have two problems with this:
1.How do you supposedly know this, and...
That's an odd response to...
"Most elites and politicians believe rules don't apply to them."
Trump is a perfect examples of RULES-FOR-THE-BUT-NOT-FOR-ME.
Bill Clinton was another whose antics would've landed a civilian
in prison for many years.
2.please beware of false equivalencies.
Stupid non sequitur.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
All the Democrats have is gossip.
2 problems with that unsupported (except by cartoon) claim...
- She has a her proffered agenda.
- She has valid criticism of Trump, eg, convicted felon,
rapist, senility, faudster.
- JD Vance, hater of "childless cat ladies". Christian
Dominionist....a VP pick so bad, that he makes Sarah
Palin look brilliant.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well there aren't any studies I am aware of so one has to look at what happens in the real world to regular people vs politicians and the elite when rules are broken.

Then why did you post it in the first place if there are no studies?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The story I heard that was there was an event at Arlington Cemetery, to honor the gold star families of the soldiers killed after the botch exit from Afghanistan by Biden and Harris. The families asked if their event could be recorded, so each family each could make a copy.Trump was invited by the families as was Harris but Harris was a no show. Trump was invited since has shown respect for these families since ever since their sons, husband, etc. were killed. Trump was asked to have his people to do the filming.

One of the park workers, who may have been a Harris looney, got all bent out of shape; Barney Fife. But after he was escorted away the ceremony continued. It may appear as a campaign add with the subtitles; where is Waldo Harris?
Yeah, blame the park worker for doing her job. She must be a loony toons for enforcing the rules, amirite? :rolleyes:
 
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