Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Let's say for sake of argument you're correct.
So where does all this extra savings go now? To whom?
I know civilians don't see it when they go to the store or pay for services.
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So where does all this extra savings go now? To whom?
I know civilians don't see it when they go to the store or pay for services.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
LED lighting saves money and energy for consumers.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You don't "see it" because you do not look for it. Do you remember how much you used to pay for a television set? An old one with a picture tube. Do you remember how much flat screens cost when they first came out? And do you not realize yet that money is not aa constant. You ignore when prices go down . You only notice when they go up. Meanwhile Trump is proposing a twenty percent price inflation of most imported goods (he probably will not do that to your precious oil).
You really should try to learn some basic economics. One cannot vote based upon "the bottom line" if one does not understand economics.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No it's not just me. Its pretty much the whole entire nation that is noticing astronomically high prices and the sheer difficulty of putting food on the table and keeping a roof over one's head. An incredible number of people in this nation are not only living paycheck to paycheck but can't even be able to put anything away in savings.
No it's not just me.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yeah, but I like that healthy high energy glow of an incandescent bulb. It only costs me a bout ten times as much in energy
Okay, that is not one hundred percent accurate. Most of the time when I have to have my lights on it is also heating season. So not all of that energy is wasted.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
I see it in my electric service bill every month, well except the summer because now my whole house is air-conditioned, not just one room.
My son sees it in his transportation costs in that his American made electric vehicle which gets the equivalent of about 80mpg cost wise.
What store items or services are you thinking of that require large quantities of fossil fuels besides your one use plastic bags? Do you eat fossil fuel?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Once again, the recent round of inflation has been explained to you many times. That was due largely to the pandemic and partially due to the Russian war on Ukraine. I do not blame either Trump or Biden for this inflation because it was needed spending that both had to do. And the way to get over it is full employment. Biden's employment rates are better than Trump's. He did not just get bounce back jobs. He added quite a few.
We need wise spending when it comes to the government and right now the Republicans are incapable of doing that.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
And housing prices are way up, This house was 1500-1800 $
http://www.searsarchives.com/homes/images/1908-1914/1911_0158_small.jpg
The real problem here is the tax cuts since Reagan and very much Trump with have made the rich richer and you relatively poorer.
Trump is not going to make it better unless you are already rich.
That's not the boast you might think. Within the confines of the law, we can choose our own rules. None need be silly, but that's an option. On the other hand, if we choose wisely, we develop a set of guiding principles to live by.
You don't seem to have a coherent worldview.
Also not the powerful boast of freedom from intellectual tyranny you seem to think it is. Rational thought is actually an asset.
There's a climate crisis going on. I realize that you are free of silly rules and rational thought, but that's not helpful in this area.
Really? You're still unaware that going green is great for that bottom line you keep referring to? We've been a solar household since 2011 and haven't paid for electricity since. Our power bill came yesterday. It was about $3, and that wasn't for power. Taht was to be connected to the grid. Until recently, all of the power we harvested went to the utility, and they supplied what we use. As long as we send more than we consume, we pay nothing.
Savings wasn't limited to electricity. We now heat our water for showers and appliances using a solar hot water heater, which was 75% of our propane use, since our only other propane usage is with the range top and the outdoor grill. We've saved about $200USD/mo for 13 years now. The solar panels and inverter paid for themselves in about 6 years, although we've made two upgrades since the original installation. We added two more panels when we added air conditioning (three mini-splits) a few years ago, and this year, we added two more panels charging storage batteries (power NOT sent to the utility) that keeps us powered up even when the utility goes down.
It a big win-win-win for everybody involved. We get free electricity, our propane last four times as long between refills as before, and we're helping with the fight against "drill, baby, drill" mentality by reducing the amount of fossil fuel our utility needs to burn to power our community.
The excess we collect and give away allows them to power other homes without burning fossil fuel for that amount, which lowers our carbon footprint even more. Hopefully, that amount is similar to what we burn in propane and gasoline making our net carbon footprint near zero.
We use very little gasoline. We never let the tank get below half in case there is a local fire and we need to evacuate, and we refill the missing half tank about every three months (our only vehicle is a 2001 model with under 80,000 miles on it, so you know we don't drive much, but that's village life, where, when we drive, which is about four times a week, it's seldom more than three miles).
That's a global phenomenon. We grapple with inflation here in Mexico, and it has nothing to do with American policy. Breakfast out for two was about $7 USD for eggs, meat, potatoes, toast, and lattes when we arrived here 15 years ago. This morning it was $14 USD (before tip), but only one latte and no meat.
I'm sure that the Republicans intend to help you with that, and that's why you keep voting for them.
SPOILER: that's the Republican vision for you, like you were a farm animal or business machine. Ideally in its view, it gives you just enough to keep you coming back to a bad job and a subsistence existence because you can't get a better one and can't stop working. You'll take what they allow you, which is just enough to keep you coming back. The Democrats will fight for workplace safety, unions (who will fight for wages and benefits), and increased minimum wages (a topic Trump skirted surrounding questions following his McDonald's cosplay stunt), but people like you will help the Republicans oppose that because you don't know better.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Don't forget the effect of epidemics that are affecting the food supply, e.g. avian flu. No president can control that kind of thing. It's the shortages that cause inflation. Government spending can be a problem, because all the job growth put more money in the hands of more people. Demand for goods and services went up, along with more money chasing after the supply of goods and services. And those prices are not going to come down no matter who takes office in January.
One major increase in cost of living is property taxes and home insurance. These increases are the nature of free markets. You are all for free markets, yes? If so you have to accept the consequences.
And with global warming making storms more frequent and more severe there’s more property destruction. Insurance companies are raising rates everywhere to help offset their payouts. Yet you want to burn more gas, and add to the problem.
And if Trump wins and deports millions of workers in agriculture we will all face higher food costs. Brilliant.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Nope. The climate crap is overreacting to say the least.
Some things are just so absurd they transcend parody. I can't even make fun of that post; it is just that stupid.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Yes, your standard dismissal without any evidence.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Wonderful!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Tell that to the victims of the last two hurricanes. It really is not. Do you really think that you know more than those that have not only done the science, but have demonstrated that increases in temperature have followed what the models predict?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I have pointed out that to many people here, that not only will prices not go down, we would not want them to go down because that takes a very bad economy. That is the one campaign promise of Harris's that appears to be al lie. The period of strong inflation is over. We had the soft landing that Biden was hoping for. He did not do the work himself. He was wise enough to follow what the experts in the field said. Trump himself constantly disparages experts and lies by saying that he could do better. And that is after he makes claims that would have cause him to fail freshman college economics classes.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And? Your side has been telling people in that position--poor people--they just need to cut spending and learn how to live within their means.
It's crap that's normal life for many Americans and it's "socialism" to help them out, it's a useless expense to cut and we can't have it. But when Middle America sees inflation during a good economy they start crying how bad it is, start insisting the economy is doing bad, blind themselves to lowering prices and insist the state must do something about it.