Trump will end abortion

[fantome profane]

It's relevant because he wants to get more pro-lifers in and pass an anti-later-term abortion bill. I am against these things since I believe very strongly that a woman has full right to choose up until the point that the fetus would be able to survive outside the womb without medical intervention. I absolutely love Planned Parenthood, I wish it got even more funding, but that wasn't the point I was addressing.

Some of us live our entire lives unable to live outside the womb without medical intervention.

 

[SomeRandom]

Some of us live our entire lives unable to live outside the womb without medical intervention.

Well there's medical intervention keeping people alive and then there's a very early stage of development for a fetus. Neither are entirely interchangeable.

 

[tytlyf]

PP doesn't receive tax dollars for abortions. That's illegal. Most people are against late term abortions, unless there is a good reason/emergency. Then you have republicans who want 12 year old rape survivors to not be able to have an abortion.

The problem with conservatives is that their abortion stance is religiously motivated. America is a secular nation governed by a secular constitution. Religion has no place in politics or government. But that doesn't stop the republican politicians from playing the religion card for votes.

 

[Scuba Pete]

than Hillary is to gun rights.

Clinton is no threat to gun rights. This is a distortion proffered by the Gun Industry solely to sell more guns and ammo. They did it with Obama and they're doing it again with Clinton. How horrible to deceive people like this.

 

[Maponos]

Desecration of life is desecration of life, no matter how you try to spin it. I'm against all abortion unless it's dire circumstances (incest, rape or could endanger the mother's life).

 

[Nietzsche]

Desecration of life is desecration of life, no matter how you try to spin it. I'm against all abortion unless its dire circumstances (incest, rape or could endanger the mother's life).

This deification of life continues to puzzle me. Life is horrible. why would you encourage it?

 

[tytlyf]

Clinton is no threat to gun rights. This is a distortion proffered by the Gun Industry solely to sell more guns and ammo. They did it with Obama and they're doing it again with Clinton. How horrible to deceive people like this.

Yep. The NRA is a disgrace to the country. GHWB was right to cancel his lifetime membership once they strayed. Just watch their panic mongering commercials on TV. Pure propaganda.

The NRA likes to scare the sheep so they run out and buy more guns and ammo.

 

[psychoslice]

Is he going to take all the baby's unwanted and look after them lol.

 

[tytlyf]

Is he going to take all the baby's unwanted and look after them lol.

He's going to make sure all the teenage girls who accidently get pregnant have their kids. Then they can struggle with poverty and finishing their education. Then they can get on public assistance to help with the burden. Sounds like a plan.

 

[psychoslice]

He's going to make sure all the teenage girls who accidently get pregnant have their kids. Then they can struggle with poverty and finishing their education. Then they can get on public assistance to help with the burden. Sounds like a plan.

I don't think you could force that onto anyone, it would cause all sorts of problems, even murdering their baby's, if the abortion is done within a month or two there is no problem, it isn't a child at that age, it hasn't even developed a brain that thinks.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The NRA likes to scare the sheep

Not sheep: sheeple. The NRA likes to scare the guns into the sheeple.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are kidding yourself.
Voting for anyone but Clinton is voting for Trump. And unless he is lying yet again, he will do his best to end RoeVWade.
Tom

How do you know you're not kidding yourself about Hillary's being better?
I still find it surprising that people can have such certainty about 2 such dicey choices.

 

[Revoltingest]

Considering Trump has launched his promise to end abortions and defund Planned Parenthood, while Hillary has said nothing of ending gun ownership, this just isn't a question.

Often, what isn't said speaks loudly.
Look at Hilda's VP.
Both of them are anti-gun.
Abortion rights strike me as more durable than gun rights.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't see that as a question.

Well, I'm more ignorant than most.
So I see a lot of uncertainty.

 

[Quetzal]

Often, what isn't said speaks loudly.
Look at Hilda's VP.
Both of them are anti-gun.
Abortion rights strike me as more durable than gun rights.

I wouldn't be comfortable assigning linear values, but gun rights are strong enough to the point where they aren't going anywhere. At least, I don't think so.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn't be comfortable assigning linear values, but gun rights are strong enough to the point where they aren't going anywhere. At least, I don't think so.

Reasonable people may disagree....with ignorant malevolent aliens!

 

[Smart_Guy]

Abortion reduction and management, I'm in favor of.

Banning abortion as if it's always 100% murder, I'm against.

I believe there are instances that abortion is needed, specially in case of life threatening risks when the mother agrees to get abortion.

If there is anything I perfectly agree to end, it is the problems that cause unneeded abortion, like rape and bad/neglected healthcare. That's what Trump should consider first if he really wants to make a change, and not just wanting to get more votes and supports by anti-abortion mobs.

 

[Acim]

I'm with him (Trump)

I don't see it having the profound impact some are anticipating, but can understand the desire to scare people into voting.

I also don't see this as strictly a religious/spiritual issue, or about as much as - please don't murder people is strictly a religious/spiritual issue.

 

[Kapalika]

This deification of life continues to puzzle me. Life is horrible. why would you encourage it?

I found this pretty hilarious and I had to stop from waking people up from laughing so hard when I saw someone gave you the "optimistic" rating xD

But really, I think the question should be "when can this organism have self-awareness and experience pain?" If you destroy the life before then... is it really any worse than killing a plant? I mean, the only reason people get up in arms is because we have an instinctual reaction based only on genetics. It's why we have more empathy for chimps than for cows even though both have self awareness and the ability to experience pain. If it was never self aware, it can't be a "person". To have personhood you have to have some type of awareness or consciousness. I've yet to see zygotes or fetuses with underdeveloped brains have either of those. That comes later in pregnancy though I'm not totally sure where.

For the record though, I am pro-choice. I just maybe the draw the line a little differently.

 

[Maponos]

This deification of life continues to puzzle me. Life is horrible. why would you encourage it?

Life is indeed horrible but it is also beautiful.