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Trump will end abortion
- Thread starter columbus
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I'll have you know I am an expert in things I know nothing about!
Pbbbtttt!
Everyone here is.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why would you allow for these reasons if you feel that the fetus is a human life?
esmith
Veteran Member
In one respect:
Hillary supporters see Trump abolishing abortion
Trump supporters see Hillary abolishing the 2nd Amendment
Each side has their bag of dog whistles.
I see neither doing either.
However in the above two points:
I do see Hillary putting in place SCOTUS judges that would support restrictions on firearms on the local level
I do see Trump putting in place SCOTUS judges that would support restrictions on abortions.
Hillary supporters see Trump abolishing abortion
Trump supporters see Hillary abolishing the 2nd Amendment
Each side has their bag of dog whistles.
I see neither doing either.
However in the above two points:
I do see Hillary putting in place SCOTUS judges that would support restrictions on firearms on the local level
I do see Trump putting in place SCOTUS judges that would support restrictions on abortions.
How are we supposed to continue being super evil enemies if you keep making posts I agree with!?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sorry.How are we supposed to continue being super evil enemies if you keep making posts I agree with!?
tytlyf
Not Religious
There's a difference.
-Trump has said he wants to abolish abortion
-Clinton has said nothing about abolishing the 2A
The real point to this thread is Trump's efforts to gain supporters specifically on this basis. That is why I quoted his letter with signature.
Tom
esmith
Veteran Member
Oh I'm sure we will find a way. What's your opinion on President Harry S. Truman and General Douglas MacArthur?How are we supposed to continue being super evil enemies if you keep making posts I agree with!?
The opposite of whatever you think, of course!
esmith
Veteran Member
OK,The opposite of whatever you think, of course!
How about BBQ ribs vs smoked ribs
Truman and MacArthur takes too much time and effort.
Despite the proliferation (no pun intended) of fear mongering about late term abortions, late term abortion are already illegal or strictly regulated in all 50 states and in most first world nations. All further legislation does is kill women who can't get them because doctors are under legal pressure to meet entirely too strict and narrow definition of 'unless the mother's life is in danger.' Mistakes are made such as what caused Sevita Halappanavar's death. Some states are so strictly regulated against late term abortion methods that they won't even preform them on stillborn fetus that is confirmed dead. Greatly increasing the mother's risk of infection and sepsis and forcing them through emotional and hormonal trauma of delivery.
This is a huge point!
While I am very much opposed to killing a healthy unborn human gestating in a healthy adult human, there is a huge grey area here that neither I nor 95% of the population are qualified to draw a line in.
And that includes virtually all the politicians doing so for political reasons.
Tom
I say this as someone who lived on a farm where guns were a necessary part of life, and have no opposition to the owning of guns in general:
Even if Hillary actually said something about some new gun restriction proposal, if it were between preventing that or preventing the stripping of funds for necessary women's healthcare (The vast majority of PP's operation is cancer screening, distribution of birth control and fertility care.)...
It wouldn't be a question what I'd pick. Hell, even if completely leaving off that I believe Trump is entirely more of a monster than Hillary could ever hope to be in both foreign and domestic policy, stating that Trump will be placing another religious right prolife justice would be enough for me to vote against him.
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It would be different, somewhat, if the Trump/Pence nominee were only going to rule on abortion. But the same people who generally believe that Planned Parenthood promote abortion also tend to believe that climate change is a hoax and the USA needs to get right with Jesus and a host of other things like that.
Tom
Tom
I don't see it as deciding between the two rights.
Neither is guaranteed to be lost or preserved.
I guesstimate likely effects.
And there is far more to this election than guns & abortions.
You brought it up. There's more reason to believe Trump would damage women's healthcare (beyond abortions) than Clinton will damage gun availability.
And a religious right appointment to SCOTUS at this time would be more damaging to many broad issues in the long run. Including human rights issues like gay marriage, which Trump has publicly stated he wants to overturn SCOTUS' current ruling.
And there's reason to disagree with that.
A very leftish appointment could also damage our rights.
After all we have many constitutional rights, not just abortion & gay marriage.
And the left has been hostile to many, eg, free speech, whistle blowers, jury trial, freedom from compulsory service.
No one in recent political history of the U.S. has been more hostile to the 1st amendment than Donald Trump.
That's one person's opinion.
Bill Clinton has a pretty awful record of attempts there.
I've covered this before
Example....
Arguing that public housing residents tacitly agree to give up their right against warrantless searches.
Fortunately, he failed to prevail on that one.