Trump will end abortion

[Saint Frankenstein]

Often, what isn't said speaks loudly.
Look at Hilda's VP.
Both of them are anti-gun.
Abortion rights strike me as more durable than gun rights.

Pro-gun control does not equal being "anti-gun". Almost all of the advanced world has stricter gun control laws than us (along with much lower rates of violent crime), but still allow you to have guns. No one's proposing taking your rifles away.

 

[pondsbb]

Is he going to take all the baby's unwanted and look after them lol.

No. Did you watch the VP debates? Pence said if you are pro- life you also have to be pro- adoption. Any teen pregnancy will have adoption options. This is part of the plan according to what Pence said in the VP debate.

 

[pondsbb]

And there's reason to disagree with that.

A very leftish appointment could also damage our rights.
After all we have many constitutional rights, not just abortion & gay marriage.
And the left has been hostile to many, eg, free speech, whistle blowers, jury trial, freedom from compulsory service.

Yes, Obama gave the internet to the UN just days ago. Not sure how long before free internet speech will be around. Watch it fade in the next few years.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I do see that as a problem as it puts the working class in a position of being at the mercy of the owners. With all the chemicals, toxins, and terrible work conditions, we need to have the state to be able to have the power to amend these issues. What we really need is another Theodore Roosevelt - someone who is actually a true Progressive and not this modern day "progressive" that is just being used interchangeably with Liberal - to go in and bust up corporations and knock them down a few pegs. Revoke their "too big to fail" privileges, and even develop an "economy firewall" that will prevent an economic disaster from spreading and causing a widespread catastrophe.
And we are also in dire need of updating our social models. We still heavy rely on an industrial model for much of our lives, models that were developed along with Industrial Revolution, and though we live in an Age of Technology and Information, we still have the outdated industrial models. Some corporations do improve on this, but they are few and far between, and still not yet fully untethered from the deeply-rooted industrial mode of thinking.

You & I differ on how much power government should have to impose
its economic & social engineering will upon us.
Having power to do great good is also the power to do great wrong.
I say they should simply have less power, & I don't want them
mucking up the Constitution so that it's easier to control us.

It's also rooted in Puritan work ethic, and the less religious-nut influence we have, they better off everyone is.

They all come from religions I don't want in control of us.
This includes Xian lefties like Obama & the Clintons.
Need more heathen libertarians in office.

 

[Revoltingest]

Pro-gun control does not equal being "anti-gun".

While I agree with this as technically correct, in common parlance the terms greatly overlap

Almost all of the advanced world has stricter gun control laws than us (along with much lower rates of violent crime), but still allow you to have guns. No one's proposing taking your rifles away.

Actually, many pols have proposed exactly that.
But that's not what I've been addressing.
I favor effective regulation which comports more the our constitutional right (eg, more training for concealed carry licensees).
But I oppose ineffective regulation which also limits our right, eg, regulations requiring finger grooves on handguns, caliber limitations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, Obama gave the internet to the UN just days ago. Not sure how long before free internet speech will be around. Watch it fade in the next few years.

Yeah, I don't see this move as benefitting us.
I'll be watching.

 

[Quetzal]

Besides, this shouldn't be a concern
for anyone voting for a Clinton, the king or queen of
crony capitalism & pardons for sale.

Depending on the pardon and time of year, she tends to run good deals on pardons. POGOS, 30% off mail in rebates, etc.

 

[Phil25]

Not that I know of. I'm sure there are some nuts out there in favor of it, but the party as a whole is okay with it.

On the other side of the aisle, I doubt the right would ban abortion even if they could. There are too many single issue pro-life republicans out there for them to actually ban abortion.

Repealing Hyde Amendment is in the 2016 Democratic Platform, so the majority seems to favor it.

 

[whirlingmerc]

It's problematic that Obama won't reign in Planned Parenthood for unsafe clinics, not reporting statutory rape cases or circumventing parental laws.... I don't see Hillary providing correction on that but ironically Trump might

It's also sad that the most common reason for an abortion in the world is that it's a girl.

 

[metis]

It's problematic that Obama won't reign in Planned Parenthood for unsafe clinics, not reporting statutory rape cases or circumventing parental laws.... I don't see Hillary providing correction on that but ironically Trump might

It's also sad that the most common reason for an abortion in the world is that it's a girl.

Will you supply us with any research that says that Planned Parenthood has "unsafe clinics"? And how exactly do they "circumvent parental laws"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Pro-gun control does not equal being "anti-gun".

I don't know for sure (I'd make a good "research quickie") where that idea came from, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NRA has something to do with it. I've known safety instructors who have been certified through the NRA who cannot stand what the NRA stands for and represents as a lobbyist/political group. Pretty much every NRA member I've met supports things like mandatory training, clamping down on laws and improving weaknesses, and making sure certain people are never able to legally and easily acquire fire arms as easily as going into Wal Mart or K Mart, but to even suggest a thing gets the NRA screaming the governments coming for the guns and to make criminals of gun owners. And a good number of even their boastful life-time members are very aware of that.

It's problematic that Obama won't reign in Planned Parenthood for unsafe clinics, not reporting statutory rape cases or circumventing parental laws...

I'm not aware of these being problems. Rather, Planned Parenthood, much by default, has to keep everything in order because they constantly under such heavy scrutiny. Yeah, I don't doubt there are a handful of incidents, but at best I suspect they are a handful of isolated incidents.

It's also sad that the most common reason for an abortion in the world is that it's a girl.

In places like China, yeah, but it's their population that's being set up to plummet. As for America, and much of the West, I suspect rape, incest, and severe deformity are probably the primary reasons.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's also sad that the most common reason for an abortion in the world is that it's a girl.

In places like China, yeah, but it's their population that's being set up to plummet. As for America, and much of the West, I suspect rape, incest, and severe deformity are probably the primary reasons.

So it turns out that poverty (something Jesus was adamant about his followers doing something about) is the number one reason in America, with job/school problems, relationship problems, female sex shaming, health of the fetus, and rape/incest being common reasons.

 

[columbus]

Will you supply us with any research that says that Planned Parenthood has "unsafe clinics"?

This part is not true. PP built a clinic in Bloomington, IN partly because they were unsatisfied with the safety and security of the for profit clinics in central Indiana.

And how exactly do they "circumvent parental laws"?

This is one of the worst things PP does. They will facilitate abortions for seriously underage clients without the parent's knowledge, much less permission.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is one of the worst things PP does. They will facilitate abortions for seriously underage clients without the parent's knowledge, much less permission.

In many of those cases though, such actions protect the girl and keep her safe and living in a home.

 

[McBell]

Frankly, I want to see abortion reduced. That is why I support Planned Parenthood. They reduced abortions in Colorado by double digits when they started giving people long term birth control implants.
Trump is promising to do it by nominating SCOTUS judges who will gut PP funding and make it harder to get one legally.
Tom

I never did understand the idea that eliminating PP will stop all abortions.

 

[metis]

This is one of the worst things PP does. They will facilitate abortions for seriously underage clients without the parent's knowledge, much less permission.
Tom

This is covered under state law, so it depends on what is legally allowed v disallowed.