Trump will end abortion

[Quetzal]

Be aware that under our Constitution, you've no right to probe us.
You must ask for permission first.

 

[Revoltingest]

Blame the anti-probing lobby.

 

[tytlyf]

Clearly, we need to elect Johnson.

Won't happen because people who claim to be Libertarian don't vote Libertarian. In order to elect people, you have to have people voting for said people. I'm a moderate democrat, which is why I support Clinton. The problem is some people call themselves libertarians to avoid calling themselves republicans (some do it because it's the cool thing to do and everyone else is doing it). I've always said that libertarians are really republicans. Which is why they vote that way. Blame the phony libertarians for not supporting their political party.

 

[Revoltingest]

Won't happen because people who claim to be Libertarian don't vote Libertarian.

So you're the expert on us, eh?
Actually, more people vote Libertarian than actually register as such.
I vote for one of us about 95% of the time.

 

[esmith]

It seems that the term moderate Democrat, and moderate Republican seems to change as the country changes. Most of us are aware that the mood of the country changes based on the problems facing the country, thus the political pendulum swings either side of a reference point that is always changing. Compare the attitude of say, the late 1930's to the attitude of 1944, to 1948, to 1960, to 1964; then compare any of those reference points to today. If you say you are a "moderate" whatever,take your political views of today and compare them to past reference points and see where you land. Of course one has to have a knowledge of US history.

 

[tytlyf]

So you're the expert on us, eh?
Actually, more people vote Libertarian than actually register as such.
I vote for one of us about 95% of the time.

I pay attention. For instance, esmith claims to be a libertarian but isn't supporting his party this election.

 

[tytlyf]

It seems that the term moderate Democrat, and moderate Republican seems to change as the country changes. Most of us are aware that the mood of the country changes based on the problems facing the country, thus the political pendulum swings either side of a reference point that is always changing. Compare the attitude of say, the late 1930's to the attitude of 1944, to 1948, to 1960, to 1964; then compare any of those reference points to today. If you say you are a "moderate" whatever,take your political views of today and compare them to past reference points and see where you land. Of course one has to have a knowledge of US history.

There's basically 4 platforms. Far-right, repub establishment (moderate repub), moderate democrat, far-left. The center is more on the left side of things. For instance, Reagan would be more center-left today. Which is why both of Reagans sons don't support Trump.

 

[Underhill]

People always believe that the other side is the greater threat.
It largely depends upon a couple things.....
- What they consider a threat
(If they don't care about the 2nd Amendment, then gun rights aren't threatened.)
- They trust their own side, but know the other is evil.

As an outsider of the Big Two, I see them both subverting the Constitution when it suits them.
(And they, especially lefties, see me as a threat.....albeit a rather impotent one.)

Utter hogwash. I see everyone as a threat primarily because there isn't anyone I have met who agrees with me on everything. It just goes to show how low our culture has fallen that people do not hold the same views as me.

As for probing, what about implied consent? Do they have to fill out a consent form or is their running up to the spacecraft with their pants around their ankles enough?

 

[Underhill]

There's basically 4 platforms. Far-right, repub establishment (moderate repub), moderate democrat, far-left. The center is more on the left side of things. For instance, Reagan would be more center-left today. Which is why both of Reagans sons don't support Trump.

Sounds about right. But even so, there are problems with these categorizations. I think the right is out to lunch socially (on most things) and on their spend but don't tax policies. On the other hand I think the left is nuts on the death penalty (in theory anyway) and their throw money at every thing and hope that fixes it approach to problem solving along with their weak kneed lead from behind methodology.

So I am all over the political map. Depending on the issue, I can be considered anything from a moderate repub to far-left.

 

[Revoltingest]

I pay attention. For instance, esmith claims to be a libertarian but isn't supporting his party this election.

He does?
I thought he's a conservative.
(You know....they're not the same.)

 

[Quetzal]

As for probing, what about implied consent? Do they have to fill out a consent form or is their running up to the spacecraft with their pants around their ankles enough?

Not sure, researching it now for... science... yeah that's it.

 

[Underhill]

He does?
I thought he's a conservative.
(You know....they're not the same.)

Yep. One hates government growth and spending, the other hates government control and spending unless it's on the military.

 

[Quetzal]

(And they, especially lefties, see me as a threat.....albeit a rather impotent one.)

If it means anything, I don't see ya as a threat. Unless I am in dire need of a shovel and there is a shortage at my local hardware store.

 

[Revoltingest]

Utter hogwash. I see everyone as a threat primarily because there isn't anyone I have met who agrees with me on everything. It just goes to show how low our culture has fallen that people do not hold the same views as me.

As I read your post, you're agreeing with my hogwash.
Best hogwash on RF!

As for probing, what about implied consent? Do they have to fill out a consent form or is their running up to the spacecraft with their pants around their ankles enough?

I think both methods work.
But if the probee is drunk, the prober must refrain.

 

[Kapalika]

well I like Donald's letter; I don't know what plan parenthood is except they are sticklers; always trying to stick people. Not really my thing.... [snippet]...Plan parenthood;apart from how it got started we know what abortion clinics do. But even so asking these sort of questions to the public would probably be labeled as offensive.

Planned Parenthood is a health clinic that helps with a lot of things, it isn't an abortion clinic and abortions is just a fraction of it's services.

And what do you mean they are "sticklers"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

 

[Quetzal]

Planned Parenthood is a health clinic that helps with a lot of things, it isn't an abortion clinic and abortions is just a fraction of it's services.

And what do you mean they are "sticklers"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

I remember this being a huge issue months back when discussing PP. In my experiences, those strictly against abortion tended to lobby for the destruction of all other helpful services if it meant abortions weren't carried out. It was a painful discussion.

 

[esmith]

No, I'm neither a true libertarian or true conservative.
I'm a leave me alone except don't mess with my Social Security, Medicare, Tricare, my military retirement, or my access to public lands.
In other words if it doesn't directly affect me I could care less what happens to the rest of you

 

[columbus]

I remember this being a huge issue months back when discussing PP. In my experiences, those strictly against abortion tended to lobby for the destruction of all other helpful services if it meant abortions weren't carried out. It was a painful discussion.

Every now and then I consider starting a thread about this.
My staunch opposition to elective abortion is EXACTLY why I support Planned Parenthood.

Not only do they provide excellent services that have nothing whatever to do with abortion, but they also prevent far more abortions than they facilitate. Unless the desire for abortion is dealt with, the abortions are going to happen anyway. They'll just happen elsewhere, like in a woman's bathroom with a coathanger. Or like that Patel woman did, taking abortifacient drugs after her child was possibly viable and then killing him.

You can't stop abortion by making them difficult to get after the child is conceived. You have to stop people from procreating irresponsibly in the first place. PP does that better than any other group I know about.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I'm neither a true libertarian or true conservative.
I'm a leave me alone except don't mess with my Social Security, Medicare, Tricare, my military retirement, or my access to public lands.
In other words if it doesn't directly affect me I could care less what happens to the rest of you

I hereby pronounce you an "esmithian".

 

[Revoltingest]

Every now and then I consider starting a thread about this.
My staunch opposition to elective abortion is EXACTLY why I support Planned Parenthood.

Not only do they provide excellent services that have nothing whatever to do with abortion, but they also prevent far more abortions than they facilitate. Unless the desire for abortion is dealt with, the abortions are going to happen anyway. They'll just happen elsewhere, like in a woman's bathroom with a coathanger. Or like that Patel woman did, taking abortifacient drugs after her child was possibly viable and then killing him.

You can't stop abortion by making them difficult to get after the child is conceived. You have to stop people from procreating irresponsibly in the first place. PP does that better than any other group I know about.
Tom

Just to foment argument.....
I say there aren't enuf abortions.
They're one thing I'm happy to have my tax dollars support.
(National parks are another.)