Trump won because political correctness, liberalism, and sjws have run amok.

[Twilight Hue]

Trum won because he appeals to the lowest common denominator in the american people.

What qualifies as being the lowest common denominator that's so successful and effective in winning politics these days?

 

[Yerda]

Trump won because of the electoral method.

This PC gone mad chat has some truthiness to it...but consider how stupid it is to choose someone for President because you don't like some of the people who don't like him. How is political correctness affecting the lives of American people? How does that compare to the lack of health insurance for millions of Americans in terms of what contributes more to a good life? There are millions of people in America who are homeless or vulnerably homed and yet sticking it to irritating students and the liberal elite is more imortant than this? Bonkers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump won because of the electoral method.

This PC gone mad chat has some truthiness to it...but consider how stupid it is to choose someone for President because you don't like some of the people who don't like him. How is political correctness affecting the lives of American people? How does that compare to the lack of health insurance for millions of Americans in terms of what contributes more to a good life? There are millions of people in America who are homeless or vulnerably homed and yet sticking it to irritating students and the liberal elite is more imortant than this? Bonkers.

All are valid issues to address in context, many involves quality of life, who dosent agree?

But that's not the real problem. It's the manner by which those issues and problems are being addressed and instututed on others. This long festering PC and SJW insanity has been taken to such levels and extremes now, that it in turn, actually infringes upon if not out plain outright, violates many rights and privileges of people to freely live as they themselves see fit, however offensive it may be to others, just as long as they themselves don't incite or cause harm to person and property to other people.

Under a Democrat enforced misguided banner of equity and equality fueled by pc and sjw ideologies, there are now widespread cases and incidents involving nannyism via legislation, outright banning by legislation, and leftist media manipulation creating new unique crimes and social infraction over things that shouldn't be even have been considered crimes and infractions in and of itself, to a point now that some laws and regulations have arguably become crimes in themselves.

Things like free speech zones set hundreds of yards away from places and events of contention, smokers pushed outdoors when balanced and equitable infrastructure was in place and working well. People fined and jailed in matters involving privately owned property, little children now being handcuffed by police for creating a scene,. Parents told and scolded now as to what they can and cannot give their own kids for school lunches and so forth, possession of personal religious icons and materials being vilified in public arenas .... Mostly as a result of Democrat/ pc and sjw meddling and interference in the private lives of a lot of people. Enough so in part that the electoral college itself took notice of these things that helps determines the outcome.

It's not the issues themselves that the Democrats lost, it's the implementation of laws and policies themselves that had came back and bit the Democrats in a place it sorely deserved.

It's sad our country had came to this low level, but collectively speaking, we as a people deserve everything we have coming to us. That goes to what happens in the future as well.

 

[Koldo]

All are valid issues to address in context, many involves quality of life, who dosent agree?

But that's not the real problem. It's the manner by which those issues and problems are being addressed and instututed on others. This long festering PC and SJW insanity has been taken to such levels and extremes now, that it in turn, actually infringes upon if not out plain outright, violates many rights and privileges of people to freely live as they themselves see fit, however offensive it may be to others, just as long as they themselves don't incite or cause harm to person and property to other people.

Under a Democrat enforced misguided banner of equity and equality fueled by pc and sjw ideologies, there are now widespread cases and incidents involving nannyism via legislation, outright banning by legislation, and leftist media manipulation creating new unique crimes and social infraction over things that shouldn't be even have been considered crimes and infractions in and of itself, to a point now that some laws and regulations have arguably become crimes in themselves.

Things like free speech zones set hundreds of yards away from places and events of contention, smokers pushed outdoors when balanced and equitable infrastructure was in place and working well. People fined and jailed in matters involving privately owned property, little children now being handcuffed by police for creating a scene,. Parents told and scolded now as to what they can and cannot give their own kids for school lunches and so forth, possession of personal religious icons and materials being vilified in public arenas .... Mostly as a result of Democrat/ pc and sjw meddling and interference in the private lives of a lot of people. Enough so in part that the electoral college itself took notice of these things that helps determines the outcome.

It's not the issues themselves that the Democrats lost, it's the implementation of laws and policies themselves that had came back and bit the Democrats in a place it sorely deserved.

It's sad our country had came to this low level, but collectively speaking, we as a people deserve everything we have coming to us. That goes to what happens in the future as well.

How do you measure the impact this had in the election ? Based on what data ?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout and the vagaries of the Electoral College System. Some 2,870,000 people voted for Hillary.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout and the vagaries of the Electoral College System. .......

So what has since changed or had occurred with the electoral college in view of Trump winning the presidency?

The electoral college wasn't really any issue on people's minds until the election results came in reflecting Trump as the new president.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How do you measure the impact this had in the election ? Based on what data ?

Key Obama states results among less educated voters.

Political Correctness and SJW badgering was a significant factor among this demographic who notably were fed up and tired with it.

Yes, Political Correctness Helped Elect Trump: What Skeptics Need to Know

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The electoral college wasn't really any issue on people's minds until the election results came in reflecting Trump as the new president.

Nor is it an issue to me, but this does not change the fact that the majority of the voting electorate chose Hillary Clinton.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No it really doesn't. Trump lost the popular ballot by roughly 3 million votes. It's the main only reason he, the candidate with the second most votes, is in the Oval Office.

I've never quite understood this argument (despite definitely not being a Trump supporter).
The rules by which people were to be elected was known to both parties in the lead-up to the election. It's entirely possible, and plausible given statistics I have seen, that Trump focused more on populations which would give him more of a 'leg-up' in the election.

In short, it was never a case that all votes were equal in value. It seems rich to blame a guy based on that premise, regardless of what you think should change in future elections.

 

[esmith]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout and the vagaries of the Electoral College System. Some 2,870,000 people voted for Hillary.

Hmmmm

 

[Revoltingest]

Hmmmm

That horse has really suffered this last half year or so.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout and the vagaries of the Electoral College System. Some 2,870,000 people voted for Hillary.

Hmmmm

Great emoji.

(And yes, it's sad when it becomes necessary to belabor the truth.)

 

[leibowde84]

I don't think it is unreasonable for a society to demand that the marketplace of ideas be open. While a backlash against authoritarian oversight might take a somewhat unreasonable form, the need for a backlash itself is not so and people will take the release valve they are offered from oppression.

I am a bit confused about this whole topic. There is no real enforcement of political correctness. If someone wants to use language that offends people, that is perfectly legal. But, they have to be ready and willing to accept the ridicule that comes along with it. If they think it is fair for them to offend people, but unfair for others to offend them, they are being completely unreasonable.

For example, if someone expresses that they think homosexuality is sinful, they'd better be willing to accept others to say that their religious beliefs are completely absurd.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am a bit confused about this whole topic. There is no real enforcement of political correctness. If someone wants to use language that offends people, that is perfectly legal. But, they have to be ready and willing to accept the ridicule that comes along with it. If they think it is fair for them to offend people, but unfair for others to offend them, they are being completely unreasonable.

For example, if someone expresses that they think homosexuality is sinful, they'd better be willing to accept others to say that their religious beliefs are completely absurd.

Enforcement is largely by societal pressure, eg, negative reactions & over-reactions.
Sure, sure, universities will do it with formal bureaucratic methods, but that's of minor significance.

 

[leibowde84]

Enforcement is largely by societal pressure, eg, negative reactions & over-reactions.
Sure, sure, universities will do it with formal bureaucratic methods, but that's of minor significance.

Then being against political correctness is completely hypocritical. They are basically saying that using offensive language is OK for them, but they should be immune from ridicule for it. Why should some be able to offend, but not others?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then being against political correctness is completely hypocritical. They are basically saying that using offensive language is OK for them, but they should be immune from ridicule for it. Why should some be able to offend, but not others?

Nah....I see political correctness as the unreasonable avoidance of words or subjects or
tortured phrasing designed to appease the over-sensitive & eager to be offended crowd.

Example....
In another thread, Huffington Post exhibited a leftish PC trait of seeking to make Islam look
better by comparing its views of homosexuality with those of white evangelicals. They avoided
comparison with black evangelicals because to make black religious fundamentalists look bad
is un-PC. This pro-Islam, anti-white, pro-black, anti-Xianity attitude is PC.

Note:
I'm no fan of either Islam or Xianity, both of which can perpetrate great evil.
So I can see media bias, both pro & con, depending upon the source.

 

[leibowde84]

Nah....I see political correctness as the unreasonable avoidance of words or subjects or
tortured phrasing designed to appease the over-sensitive & eager to be offended crowd.

Example....
In another thread, Huffington Post exhibited a leftish PC trait of seeking to make Islam look
better by comparing its views of homosexuality with those of white evangelicals. They avoided
comparison with black evangelicals because to make black religious fundamentalists look bad
is un-PC. This pro-Islam, anti-white, pro-black, anti-Xianity attitude is PC.

Note:
I'm no fan of either Islam or Xianity, both of which can perpetrate great evil.
So I can see media bias, both pro & con, depending upon the source.

Why does this bother you, though. Shouldn't the Huffington Post be able to use whatever language they want to? You are free to use different language if you choose. This seems like an affront to freedom of speech. The media should be free to avoid whatever language they want, no matter what their reasoning.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why does this bother you, though. Shouldn't the Huffington Post be able to use whatever language they want to? You are free to use different language if you choose. This seems like an affront to freedom of speech. The media should be free to avoid whatever language they want, no matter what their reasoning.

Why make it about whether this bothers me?
Should I ask why my posts bother you?
I'm just opining about the larger aspects of the Pew survey & Huff Po's use of it.

 

[leibowde84]

Why make it about whether this bothers me?
Should I ask why my posts bother you?
I'm just opining about the larger aspects of the Pew survey & Huff Po's use of it.

I didn't mean to do that. I'm just saying, why does political correctness bother anyone. No one is forced to adhere to it, and the media should be free to use whatever language they want to. But, if someone wants to use offensive language, they should be ready to face any repercussion that comes as a result. That's all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't mean to do that. I'm just saying, why does political correctness bother anyone. No one is forced to adhere to it, and the media should be free to use whatever language they want to. But, if someone wants to use offensive language, they should be ready to face any repercussion that comes as a result. That's all.

Political correctness has deleterious effects....
- It interferes with candid discussion of issues.
- It leads to injustices at universities, eg, lack of due process, speech censorship.
- It masks agendas.

But on the plus side, it's an opportunity to mock some sanctimonious jerks.