Trump won because political correctness, liberalism, and sjws have run amok.

[leibowde84]

Political correctness has deleterious effects....
- It interferes with candid discussion of issues.
- It leads to injustices at universities, eg, lack of due process, speech censorship.
- It masks agendas.

But on the plus side, it's an opportunity to mock some sanctimonious jerks.

I agree with the university problem, but, again, they should have the freedom to regulate their own campuses as long as it is legal. But, other than that, people should man up and speak the way they want to. If they are willing to deal with the consequences, they can say whatever they want.

And, when it comes to masking agendas, political correctness is the least of our problems. The immense dishonesty of the current administration, that claims to be fighting political correctness, is a far greater threat.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Interesting article.

What do you think about it?

Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash

I'd say that was a large part of the equation, the Dems were touting things like transgender bathrooms, global warming and alternative energy as major issues, which the general public simply don't see as such- certainly not after years of economic stagnation and mounting global threats of a more tangible nature

Neither candidate were very popular, but in the end I think we largely voted for pragmatism over ideology, which Obama himself credited Trump with

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree with the university problem, but, again, they should have the freedom to regulate their own campuses as long as it is legal. But, other than that, people should man up and speak the way they want to. If they are willing to deal with the consequences, they can say whatever they want.

And, when it comes to masking agendas, political correctness is the least of our problems. The immense dishonesty of the current administration, that claims to be fighting political correctness, is a far greater threat.

Just so you know, I'm not advocating legal restrictions,
except where universities are violating due process.

 

[leibowde84]

I'd say that was a large part of the equation, the Dems were touting things like transgender bathrooms, global warming and alternative energy as major issues, which the general public simply don't see as such- certainly not after years of economic stagnation and mounting global threats of a more tangible nature

Neither candidate were very popular, but in the end I think we largely voted for pragmatism over ideology, which Obama himself credited Trump with

When did Obama credit Trump with pragmatism?

Just so you know, I'm not advocating legal restrictions,
except where universities are violating due process.

I agree with that. Universities need to stop restricting free speech. Educational establishments need to be places where open communication thrives.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

When did Obama credit Trump with pragmatism?

I agree with that. Universities need to stop restricting free speech. Educational establishments need to be places where open communication thrives.

Obama: Trump is 'pragmatic'

Obama: Trump is 'pragmatic'


President Barack Obama praised his soon-to-be successor, Donald Trump, calling him “pragmatic” at a press conference on Monday and suggested the President-elect would be flexible on policy matters.

 

[Koldo]

Key Obama states results among less educated voters.

Political Correctness and SJW badgering was a significant factor among this demographic who notably were fed up and tired with it.

Yes, Political Correctness Helped Elect Trump: What Skeptics Need to Know

Was it ? Where's the data ?
I'm sorry but I couldn't find it in your link.

 

[columbus]

President Barack Obama praised his soon-to-be successor, Donald Trump, calling him “pragmatic” at a press conference on Monday and suggested the President-elect would be flexible on policy matters.

Typical politician, eh? Lying like the Devil!

Tom

 

[Stanyon]

Typical politician, eh? Lying like the Devil!

A black devil? that's racist Tom

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Typical politician, eh? Lying like the Devil!

Tom

ohh NOW he's lying!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

A black devil? that's racist Tom

how many people can name more than 12?

 

[Mister Emu]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout

Turnout was higher than 2012, 2008 was 2% and 2004 was ~.5% higher, after that you have to go back to the 60's to get higher turnout numbers. I'm unsure how this could be considered abnormally low turnout. Stats are according to the U.S. Election project.

Voter Turnout Data - United States Elections Project

There is no real enforcement of political correctness.

The idea that social enforcement isn't real seems divorced from a reality where things ranging from livelihoods to personal security have been compromised in the name of political correctness and social justice idiocy. Whenever a despotic nonce of this persuasion gains a shred of power they abuse it, and when they have no power it's a vitriolic temper tantrum.

But, they have to be ready and willing to accept the ridicule that comes along with it. If they think it is fair for them to offend people, but unfair for others to offend them, they are being completely unreasonable.

For example, if someone expresses that they think homosexuality is sinful, they'd better be willing to accept others to say that their religious beliefs are completely absurd.

Those that "ridicule" can expect commiserate response or commiserate escalation, no?

 

[leibowde84]

The idea that social enforcement isn't real seems divorced from a reality where things ranging from livelihoods to personal security have been compromised in the name of political correctness and social justice idiocy. Whenever a despotic nonce of this persuasion gains a shred of power they abuse it, and when they have no power it's a vitriolic temper tantrum.

This is just too crazy to address. Of course not all "politically correct" people behave in the way you describe. That is ludicrous. Don't define the whole by the actions of a minority.

Those that "ridicule" can expect commiserate response or commiserate escalation, no?

Sure. They can ridicule in return. But, if they take it to violence or illegality first they will be to blame.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Trump won, first and foremost, because of low voter turnout ...

Turnout was higher than 2012, 2008 was 2% and 2004 was ~.5% higher, after that you have to go back to the 60's to get higher turnout numbers. I'm unsure how this could be considered abnormally low turnout.

Hello. How have you been?

It was not my intent to suggest that the turnout was abnormally low. That said, you might wish to read

Who are the three-quarters of adult Americans who didn't vote for Trump?​

and ask yourself which candidate most likely benefited from low turnout.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Interesting article.

What do you think about it?

Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash

"Political correctness" is just the word that people use for basic respect when they don't want to be respectful towards others.

That being said, yes: respect is so basic to those who practice it that it can be hard to appreciate that there are many people who reject it.

 

[Mister Emu]

This is just too crazy to address. Of course not all "politically correct" people behave in the way you describe. That is ludicrous. Don't define the whole by the actions of a minority.

Perhaps you shouldn't falsely characterize arguments before you dismiss them. Though, I suppose it does make the dismissal easier.

Not all those who subscribe to political correctness engage in such behaviors. That doesn't alter that there is a disproportionately destructive segment of the left who exercises power via social justice histrionics, dishonesty and/or bigotry. You can say that the form of the reaction isn't the most reasonable, but a reaction at all?

Sure. They can ridicule in return.

Then, you agree with me in principle. I am free to have my ideas, you are free to ridicule them, I am then free to in turn take issue with your reaction.

Hello. How have you been?

I've been alright, thank you. Yourself?

It was not my intent to suggest that the turnout was abnormally low.

My apologies, I had understood the low turnout comment to be in the context of American elections.

 

[leibowde84]

Perhaps you shouldn't falsely characterize arguments before you dismiss them. Though, I suppose it does make the dismissal easier.

Not all those who subscribe to political correctness engage in such behaviors. That doesn't alter that there is a disproportionately destructive segment of the left who exercises power via social justice histrionics, dishonesty and/or bigotry. You can say that the form of the reaction isn't the most reasonable, but a reaction at all?

It is a minority of the left. Sure, it exists, but the same exists in a minority of the right. The actions of the minorities of the left and right in no way define the left and right. The best thing to do with extremists from either side is to ignore them. They are loud, but fairly insignificant.

Then, you agree with me in principle. I am free to have my ideas, you are free to ridicule them, I am then free to in turn take issue with your reaction.

Of course. I don't understand why this shouldn't be the case, as long as it never goes beyond words.

 

[Mister Emu]

It is a minority of the left. Sure, it exists, but the same exists in a minority of the right. The actions of the minorities of the left and right in no way define the left and right. The best thing to do with extremists from either side is to ignore them. They are loud, but fairly insignificant.

I think you are somewhat downplaying the scope of the problem and it's ramifications. It would be easy for me to ignore them because they haven't had an effect on my life directly, but others are not so fortunate. How many careers need to be ruined, how many college experiences, how many speakers need to be assaulted and how many riots need to happen before we stop ignoring them?

 

[leibowde84]

I think you are somewhat downplaying the scope of the problem and it's ramifications. It would be easy for me to ignore them because they haven't had an effect on my life directly, but others are not so fortunate. How many careers need to be ruined, how many college experiences, how many speakers need to be assaulted and how many riots need to happen before we stop ignoring them?

I agree. On both the far right and far left there are bad actors who take their views too far. Anti-abortion activists who murder law-abiding professionals, anarchist rioters (who, btw, are not liberals ... pretty much the opposite actually) who stop speeches at liberal schools. All of these extremists are wrong, and they should be discouraged and ridiculed. Prosecuted if they break the law.

But, the absolute worst thing anyone can do is give them more of a voice by falsely equating them with liberals or conservatives. It is the same as defining religious people by the actions of the Westboro Church.

 

[Magic Man]

Interesting article.

What do you think about it?

Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash

This I agree with:

"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."

That was a big part of his appeal. Not just political correctness, but he would stick it to those his base didn't like.

The problem is the next part where the author asserts that political correctness is a big problem and has gotten way out of hand. There are examples of people taking PC a bit too far. There are examples of irrational people on the left. But these are not major issues. It has been blown way out of proportion by people like this author and conservatives in general. It's like voter fraud. Sure, it happens, but it's not nearly as prevalent as it's made out to be, and it's certainly not something to be overly concerned with.

It's OK to point out when people take PC too far in certain situations. It just should be remembered that those are fairly isolated cases, and not part of some huge trend that's ruining America.

Also, while I think this aspect did help Trump, I don't think it's the reason he won. I think the biggest reason he won was the right's 20-year-long campaign against Hillary. They took every chance they had for roughly 20 years to attack her and try to discredit her. It worked wonders. People like my co-worker are the reason Trump won. He bought that campaign hook, line and sinker. He fully agrees Trump is a terrible president, but it's the old "But Hillary". He didn't vote in the election at all.

I think this backlash against perceived PC is part of the reason Trump's base is so fervent in their support of him. I even think it helped push a few people here and there over the fence to his side during the election. But it's a reaction to a problem that almost doesn't exist, and it's not one of the main reasons he won.