Trump 'You won't have to vote Again'.

[Copernicus]

Trump says he'll eliminate voting.
What I read between the lines in the response....
Zelensky did that.
Democrats support Ukraine.
Therefore Democrats support ending elections too.
Thus it doesn't matter.

Liberty dies due to lack of interest.

Yes, that is a common rhetorical tactic used to defend stupid politician behavior these days. It is a form of ad hominem fallacy, because the tactic is to charge the person questioning a claim with hypocrisy rather than to engage in legitimate discussion of an issue. It is, of course, legitimate to attack Zelensky for not conducting normal elections in Ukraine, but that does nothing to explain Donald Trump's remark or raise an issue bearing on his remark. It is misleading on several levels. Republicans, as well as Democrats, are broadly supportive of defending Ukraine against the Russian invasion, but the attack is on Democrats alone. Zelensky faces a national emergency that is totally different from a normal presidential election in which the country is not under existential threat from a foreign invader. What Zelensky is doing may be only a temporary disruption, not an assurance that Ukrainians no longer have to vote in elections. And so on. In social media, this tactic works to derail thread discussions, which serves the purpose of those who don't want the thread topic discussed.

 

[Copernicus]

Zelenskyy with two y's - thanks, by the way.

That is actually caused by a misleading romanization of Ukrainian Cyrillic spelling--a transliteration scheme that the government of Ukraine officially approves. The two y's actually stand for different Cyrillic letters ий, which represent two different phonemes in Ukrainian. Most writers shorten the two y's to one, since they make no difference in English spelling or pronunciation. I normally support the government of Ukraine, but I consider their officially approved transliteration scheme seriously flawed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Zelenskyy with two y's - thanks, by the way.

I've seen it both ways in US media.
I picked the one requiring less effort to type out.

 

[RestlessSoul]

That is actually caused by a misleading romanization of Ukrainian Cyrillic spelling--a transliteration scheme that the government of Ukraine officially approves. The two y's actually stand for different Cyrillic letters ий, which represent two different phonemes in Ukrainian. Most writers shorten the two y's to one, since they make no difference in English spelling or pronunciation. I normally support the government of Ukraine, but I consider their officially approved transliteration scheme seriously flawed.

So which is more accurate, Kiev or Kyiv? Because I always saw it written Kiev until very recently

 

[Kathryn]

So which is more accurate, Kiev or Kyiv? Because I always saw it written Kiev until very recently

Same here.

 

[Kathryn]

So which is more accurate, Kiev or Kyiv? Because I always saw it written Kiev until very recently

And it was pronounced differently too.

 

[Riders]

If I have to clear up someone's English to understand them why would I vote for them to be president?

And it was pronounced differently too.

 

[Riders]

I think he's looking down on Christians.

 

[Copernicus]

So which is more accurate, Kiev or Kyiv? Because I always saw it written Kiev until very recently

Kiev is the transliterated version of Russian Cyrillic Киев. It was used as the official name during the Soviet era. Kyiv is the transliterated version of Ukrainian Cyrillic Київ. The pronunciations are different, but not terribly different to English-speaking listeners. After Ukraine seceded from the Soviet Union, the new government adopted Ukrainian as its official language and has requested speakers of other languages to use Ukrainian names and transliterations of Ukrainian Cyrillic rather than the Russian versions. Many Ukrainians are native speakers of Russian, as is Volodymyr Zelensky, but there is a national movement to learn and speak Ukrainian. Zelensky himself has made remarkable progress in learning Ukrainian and will only speak that language in public.

 

[Kathryn]

Kiev is the transliterated version of Russian Cyrillic Киев. It was used as the official name during the Soviet era. Kyiv is the transliterated version of Ukrainian Cyrillic Київ. The pronunciations are different, but not terribly different to English-speaking listeners. After Ukraine seceded from the Soviet Union, the new government adopted Ukrainian as its official language and has requested speakers of other languages to use Ukrainian names and transliterations of Ukrainian Cyrillic rather than the Russian versions. Many Ukrainians are native speakers of Russian, as is Volodymyr Zelensky, but there is a national movement to learn and speak Ukrainian. Zelensky himself has made remarkable progress in learning Ukrainian and will only speak that language in public.

Russian and Ukrainian are two very similar languages. The biggest difference I see between Kiev and Kyiv are that the first one is two syllables and the second is one syllable. I think. LOL

 

[Alien826]

Could Mr Trump be any more clear?
....Vote this time, and ........
'You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.' (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...on-2024-07-27/)

Now what do you think he meant by that?

I'm not a person that defends Trump easily, but if you listen to the part that precedes and which seems to be almost universally omitted, this makes more sense. He says that Christians as a group tend not to vote in large numbers. "Christians are a group that's known not to vote very much".
With that in mind, the rest makes sense if you consider that he's asking them to overcome their non-voting habits "this time". And he follows by suggesting that if they overcome their dislike of voting this one time, they won't have to vote again, as if they give him four years he will "fix" all the things they don't like (abortion, gay marriage and so on) and do so so permanently that they won't have to vote again.

Now tell me why I'm wrong.

User Clip: Trump No Longer Have to Vote Context

Trump's statements are often presented out of context, leading to only fragments of his comments being broadcasted. Trump was addressing Christians who have refrained from voting for policies and candidates that conflict with their beliefs, as these candidates frequently challenge their values.

www.c-span.org

 

[fantome profane]

Russian and Ukrainian are two very similar languages. The biggest difference I see between Kiev and Kyiv are that the first one is two syllables and the second is one syllable. I think. LOL

And one is a kind of chicken.

 

[Magic Man]

Could Mr Trump be any more clear?
....Vote this time, and ........
'You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.' (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...on-2024-07-27/)

Now what do you think he meant by that?

Charitably, it could have meant that he'd fix all the problems plaguing the country in his next term, so they wouldn't have to worry about any of it after that. Obviously, that's an insane claim, but technically it's possible from how he said it.

But, of course, considering the context of all his other claims and what the GOP wants, it does sound more like he'll fix it, so by next time, there essentially won't be voting anymore.

It's a huge problem that this is how he communicates. We have to sit here and try to divine what he meant because he's terrible at expressing thoughts clearly. And that's an incredibly horrible trait for a candidate for the presidency to have. The fact that there is a question as to whether he was saying he'd get rid of voting is already a big red flag, even if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Pogo]

And one is a kind of chicken.

Next stop, Pizza and Italian food.

 

[Copernicus]

Russian and Ukrainian are two very similar languages. The biggest difference I see between Kiev and Kyiv are that the first one is two syllables and the second is one syllable. I think. LOL

No, both words are two syllables in both languages. The advice to pronounce "Kyiv" as if it were spelled "Keeve" is ironic, because that is actually pronounced closer to the Russian pronunciation when an English speaker says it. The difference to Russian and Ukrainian hearing is in the pronunciation of the initial "K". Russians pronounce it as a palatalized "soft k"--the tongue is more forward in the mouth. Ukrainians pronounce it as a velarized "hard k"--the tongue is further back on the palate. So Russians say what sounds like "kyee-yif" to English ears. Ukrainians pronounce it more like "kuh-yif" to English ears, except that the vowel Ukrainians use in the first syllable doesn't exist in English. It is pronounced like "oo" in "boot", but with the lips spread rather than rounded. The [k] in "keep" is more palatalized (softer) than the [k] in "coop", but they are the same sound psychologically ("allophonic") to English speakers. They are entirely different sounds psychologically ("phonemic") to Russian and Ukrainian speakers.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm not a person that defends Trump easily, but if you listen to the part that precedes and which seems to be almost universally omitted, this makes more sense. He says that Christians as a group tend not to vote in large numbers. "Christians are a group that's known not to vote very much".
With that in mind, the rest makes sense if you consider that he's asking them to overcome their non-voting habits "this time". And he follows by suggesting that if they overcome their dislike of voting this one time, they won't have to vote again, as if they give him four years he will "fix" all the things they don't like (abortion, gay marriage and so on) and do so so permanently that they won't have to vote again.

Now tell me why I'm wrong.

User Clip: Trump No Longer Have to Vote Context

Trump's statements are often presented out of context, leading to only fragments of his comments being broadcasted. Trump was addressing Christians who have refrained from voting for policies and candidates that conflict with their beliefs, as these candidates frequently challenge their values.

www.c-span.org

First, one has to wonder if the claim that Christians tend to vote less than other groups is true. A whole lot of people vote in American elections, and 65% of the country identifies as Christian.

But even so, does anybody -- even Christians! -- really think that one President can make everything right for all the rest of time? That there won't be any natural disasters like fires and hurricanes and tornados, nobody will attack from abroad with nuclear weapons, nothing will happen in the world that needs attention? If so, they must by definition be even stupider than I can imagine!

No -- Trump has shown us through his own actions what his intentions are. He tried everything he and his supporters could think of to avoid losing power last time around -- he was willing to stop at nothing, including the death of his own VP and the overthrowing of the House and Senate, suborning state officials, and trashing innocent Americans with accusations of vote tampering.

I don't know about you, but I believe that people will behave in future more in line with their past behaviours than with their stated intentions. That's just a little bit of what human nature teaches me.

 

[Magic Man]

First, one has to wonder if the claim that Christians tend to vote less than other groups is true. A whole lot of people vote in American elections, and 65% of the country identifies as Christian.

Not only that, but Reagan jump-started the use of evangelicals for the right wing, and since the 80s, they've been a committed base for the GOP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And it was pronounced differently too.

Ideally a city's name should be pronounced the way that locals pronounce it. The new pronunciation is more accurate and the new spelling will probably help.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not a person that defends Trump easily, but if you listen to the part that precedes and which seems to be almost universally omitted, this makes more sense. He says that Christians as a group tend not to vote in large numbers. "Christians are a group that's known not to vote very much".
With that in mind, the rest makes sense if you consider that he's asking them to overcome their non-voting habits "this time". And he follows by suggesting that if they overcome their dislike of voting this one time, they won't have to vote again, as if they give him four years he will "fix" all the things they don't like (abortion, gay marriage and so on) and do so so permanently that they won't have to vote again.

Now tell me why I'm wrong.

User Clip: Trump No Longer Have to Vote Context

Trump's statements are often presented out of context, leading to only fragments of his comments being broadcasted. Trump was addressing Christians who have refrained from voting for policies and candidates that conflict with their beliefs, as these candidates frequently challenge their values.

www.c-span.org

Who told Trump (or you) that American Christians don't vote?
Do you believe that only American pagans, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Bahá'ís, agnostics, atheists voted before?

I don't think so.

 

[oldbadger]

The fact that there is a question as to whether he was saying he'd get rid of voting is already a big red flag, even if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sure, that and his previous words and actions.