Trump's divisive Comments

[Faithofchristian]

Actually, your understanding is incorrect, unless you meant something of a more limited nature, but lacked the skill to adequately express it.

There's no skill to it, Just takes Common Sense to understand it, adequately to express it.

 

[RabbiO]

There's no skill to it, Just takes Common Sense to understand it, adequately to express it.

Since you seem to be saying that you said what you meant and you meant what you said, then I will simply repeat that if you believe that noncitizens have no rights under the Constitution you are incorrect.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Since you seem to be saying that you said what you meant and you meant what you said, then I will simply repeat that if you believe that noncitizens have no rights under the Constitution you are incorrect.

Non - Citizens of the United States do no have any Constitution rights, until they become Citizens of the United States.

What your trying to say is, that people in other countries have rights by our Constitution.
People in other countries are not govern by our Constitution,

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Look, Trump didn't say all Muslims, Trump said only from those Muslim Countries who harbor terrorist, That there would be a ban on those Countries, so that Terrorist can not slip thru and come here.

But none of them are from those countries. We still have financial ties to the country involved with 9/11.

No one in those other Countries have Constitutional Rights, until they become a Citizen of the United States.

We could treat people like human beings, though.

Therefore Pres Trump as the President of the United States, has every right to ban any people in any countries from coming here who poses a threat to the people of the United States.

Statistically, most of our crime and terrorism are done by people FROM HERE.

That's the job of the President to protect the people of the United States, from those who poses a threat to the people of the United States.

He should start by banning the red states, which is where you get LOTS of home grown terrorists.

You just don't get it now do you, Why do you suppose back at that time, Japanese people were put in those camps, to protect them, all because in case their were some Terrorists among them, that my seek to hurt American people. Until they could determine Who', who.

I thought Hitler was evil for putting people in camps. Why is it good when WE do it?

Yes, I'm sure baby George Takei was super seriously a threat to the entire US....

If that religion of those people poses a threat to us, then yes those people in other countries who poses a threat to us

Statistically, most of our crime and terrorism are done by people FROM HERE.

Non - Citizens of the United States do no have any Constitution rights, until they become Citizens of the United States.

And yet we have plenty of people who want zygotes to have rights even though they can't under the Constitution.

Faith, I want to thank you. I've been writing a book on how hard it is to be loyal to Christianity when it is filled with such questionable morality, and you've inspired quite a few chapters.

 

[Faithofchristian]

But none of them are from those countries. We still have financial ties to the country involved with 9/11.


We could treat people like human beings, though.


Statistically, most of our crime and terrorism are done by people FROM HERE.


He should start by banning the red states, which is where you get LOTS of home grown terrorists.


I thought Hitler was evil for putting people in camps. Why is it good when WE do it?

Yes, I'm sure baby George Takei was super seriously a threat to the entire US....


Statistically, most of our crime and terrorism are done by people FROM HERE.


And yet we have plenty of people who want zygotes to have rights even though they can't under the Constitution.

Faith, I want to thank you. I've been writing a book on how hard it is to be loyal to Christianity when it is filled with such questionable morality, and you've inspired quite a few chapters.

You got to be kidding, seeing you can't tell the difference between when Hitler put people in camps to have them killed and those who were put in camps here, but later were released. Big difference Right.

Seeing you can't tell the difference again.
When you have people coming from countries that house terrorist and Trump wants people to be vetted to see who's, who coming here to prevent Terrorist from getting mix in with people who honestly wants to come here illegally.

B all means, explain exactly how you would go about separating the Terrorist from other people who wants to come here.
When the Terrorist are mix in with other people coming here.

Of course, if you had people who was out to hurt you and your family, you would let those people into your house, not knowing which people it was out to hurt you and your family.

If I had people that wanted to hurt me and my family, I sure wouldn't let people into my house,, until I found out which people it was that wants to hurt me and my family. and those who have no intention of hurting me or my family.

That's called Common Sense.

 

[RabbiO]

Non - Citizens of the United States do no have any Constitution rights, until they become Citizens of the United States.

What your trying to say is, that people in other countries have rights by our Constitution.
People in other countries are not govern by our Constitution,

That's not what I said, that is not what I was trying to say. Apparently your English comprehension skills mirror your English writing skills... or lack thereof.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's not what I said, that is not what I was trying to say. Apparently your English comprehension skills mirror your English writing skills... or lack thereof.

Oh, come on!
Just explain why he's wrong.
(And do it in Jackie's voice, please.)

 

[Faithofchristian]

That's not what I said, that is not what I was trying to say. Apparently your English comprehension skills mirror your English writing skills... or lack thereof.

I said that Non - Citizens have no rights under the Constitution, Which you said I was incorrect, which would mean I was not right.that non - Citizens would have rights.

I don't know where you get that
Non - Citizens would have Constitutional rights.
You can not be a Non - Citizen of the United States and have Constitutional rights.The Constitution are for those who are Citizens of the United States

 

[metis]

Even non-citizens are dealt with through our system using "due process" via the Bill of Rights, for just one example. And we've seen just two recent court decisions whereas DACA recipient's rights are being upheld, they demanding that the Trump administration must provide "just cause" as to why they can be rounded up and deported.

To put it another way, the courts don't allow us to just shoot anyone who may not have constitutional rights per se, just to use that as an example.

 

[RabbiO]

I said that Non - Citizens have no rights under the Constitution, Which you said I was incorrect, which would mean I was not right.that non - Citizens would have rights.

I don't know where you get that
Non - Citizens would have Constitutional rights.
You can not be a Non - Citizen of the United States and have Constitutional rights.The Constitution are for those who are Citizens of the United States

Read the 14th amendment of the Constitution and then get back to me. Keep in my mind, by the way, that you are the one who has been repeating a blanket assertion and I gave you the opportunity to qualify your remarks.

 

[RabbiO]

Oh, come on!
Just explain why he's wrong.
(And do it in Jackie's voice, please.)

Was that a bacon threat?

 

[Revoltingest]

Was that a bacon threat?

No, just an irate invitation.
We both know how he's wrong.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Read the 14th amendment of the Constitution and then get back to me. Keep in my mind, by the way, that you are the one who has been repeating a blanket assertion and I gave you the opportunity to qualify your remarks.

Seeing that you only quoted for me to read the 14th teenth Amendment of the Constitution.
Do you understand why the 14th teenth Amendment was added to the Constitution?

It was added for the African Americans only.

that after the African Americans were set free from slavery, the 14 teenth Amendment of the Constitution was added to guarantee African Americans would have the right to due process of law and that African Americans would have Constitutional rights. That being born here in the United States African Americans would have rights by the Constitution of the United States and come under the jurisdiction of the United States.

That's why the 14th teenth Amendment of the Constitution was added.

It was not in no way intended for people outside of the jurisdiction of the United States.

Notice ( Nor shall any state deprive any person of Life, Liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws)

Therefore non - Citizens do not come under the jurisdiction of the United States. For any state to deprive any person they have to come under the jurisdiction of the United States, Which Non - Citizens do not have any jurisdiction by the United States Constitution.

Until those non - Citizens become Citizens of the United States, then they fall under the jurisdiction of the United States and then have Constitutional rights.

But not until they become Citizens of the United States then they fall under the jurisdiction of the United States and then have Constitutional rights.

But anyway, the 14 the Amendment was written up for the African Americans Only.

To guarantee that they would have the right to due process of law and Constitutional rights.Seeing how African Americans were born here in the United States.that they can not be deprived of Life, Liberty, or having property by any State.

So maybe before you ask someone to read their own Constitution, maybe you should get an understanding what the whole Constitution is about first and written for first.

 

[metis]

But anyway, the 14 the Amendment was written up for the African Americans Only.

Absolutely false as it covers other aspects that do not directly relate just to the black community: https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-xiv

 

[Faithofchristian]

Absolutely false as it covers other aspects that do not directly relate just to the black community: The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

It's not false as you claim, if you search back at the time, when the 14th teenth Amendment was written and became law.

Go to www.americaslibrary.gov

"On July 28, 1868 the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified.
The amendment grants citizenship to "all person's born or naturalized in the
United States"
Which included former slaves who had just been freed after the Civil war"

www.americaslibrary.gov

The Civil war started in 1863 and ended in 1865. Then on July 28,1868 the 14th amendment was ratified.
To the United States Constitution.

Naturalized means -- one who, being born an alien, has lawfully become a Citizen of the United States Constitution and laws.

 

[Lyndon]

I guess Jesus only cared about US citizens too!!

 

[metis]

It's not false as you claim, if you search back at the time, when the 14th teenth Amendment was written and became law.

The 14th Amendment does not just cover the black population as you falsely said, which is evident by its wording in certain areas, and no song & dance on your part changes that.

Secondly, amendments and many laws may originate to deal with one specific situation but may cast a larger shadow to cover other eventualities. This is the nature of amendments and many laws.

I not only did "search.back in time", I also taught it.

 

[Stevicus]

Oh, come on!
Just explain why he's wrong.
(And do it in Jackie's voice, please.)

I think he was talking about citizens of other countries not being subject to the US Constitution. For example, if someone is a North Korean citizen living in North Korea, they can't invoke the rights in the US Constitution in dealing with their own government, since the Constitution doesn't apply on foreign soil.

So, in that sense, he's correct, although that doesn't preclude the US government from having to follow its own law and Constitution. If our own policies forbid discrimination, then that's what our government has to follow, regardless of the citizenship status of whatever individuals are being discriminated against.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think he was talking about citizens of other countries not being subject to the US Constitution. For example, if someone is a North Korean citizen living in North Korea, they can't invoke the rights in the US Constitution in dealing with their own government, since the Constitution doesn't apply on foreign soil.

So, in that sense, he's correct, although that doesn't preclude the US government from having to follow its own law and Constitution. If our own policies forbid discrimination, then that's what our government has to follow, regardless of the citizenship status of whatever individuals are being discriminated against.

You don't sound at all like Jackie Mason.

 

[Stevicus]

You don't sound at all like Jackie Mason.

I was more a Carlin fan myself.