Trump's divisive Comments

[outhouse]

A news item suggests Yale students might support Trump by their opposition to the 1st Amendment.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/1...t-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment/


For reference, the 1st Amendment.....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Ive mentioned this before.

While we have that right, we also do not have the right to scream fire in crowded buildings. These laws all have limits.

 

[outhouse]

Since March, Iranian traffic police have seized more than 40,000 cars from women driving while “improperly” wearing their hijab, or headscarf, reports

You think this ideology is acceptable anywhere?

 

[JoStories]

Yes it can. Definitely.

But its not the same as today or you would have noted it.

Your reply is exactly what my gripe is, primitive ideology. yes that was primitive ideology.


Its my opinion YEC should not be tolerated, and it should not be made socially acceptable by any establishment including any church. Same goes for fanaticism in islam.


There is no excuse for turning away from education and knowledge, and those that do, are a danger to society, in a varied range of dangerousness.

Outhouse, you are never, yes, that is NEVER, going to rid the world of religion. It is a fact of life for almost 99% of the world's population. You can rant at it all you want but that will not change that people have faith. Maybe they need it for some unknown reason, maybe its all a bunch of hooey but nonetheless, you are not going to be rid of it. Your anger is that you wish people would drop all this and adopt your world view. That is not going to happen. So instead of complaining that the world is delusional from your POV, what other solutions do you see to this issue? No, Christianity is not the same today as the problem with fanatical Muslims but to say that all Muslims are fanatics is an extremist position and grossly unfair. A goodly part of peace loving people who just want to practice their faith. and btw, a lovely good morning darling. Kiss kiss.

 

[JoStories]

Do the rules allow for this kind of ignorant, racist bigotry? Apparently he thinks it's totally okay to violate American's civil rights and human rights just to make him feel safer.

For the record, less than 50 people have died to Muslim terrorists in America since 9/11. Compare that to how many have died to Christian terrorists... which is in the hundreds.

I'm pretty anti Islam but at least I recognize that 99% of muslims are not violent and won't do anything, they are just terrified and fleeing from ISIL.

Also you don't know anything about the refugee process.. .you gotta go through the UN, FBI, and so many other organizations with extensive background checks.



Many didn't even know how to speak Japanese who were thrown into the internment camp and were American born citizens and their family had been here for years!

You are a very sick and disturbed human being.

While I agree with some of your first comments above, I think saying that Outhouse is sick and disturbed is grossly unfair. I very strongly disagree with him on this particular issue as I have said many times in this thread but to say what you have said based on this one issue is completely unfair.

 

[JoStories]

Since March, Iranian traffic police have seized more than 40,000 cars from women driving while “improperly” wearing their hijab, or headscarf, reports

You think this ideology is acceptable anywhere?

I think you are trying to force your ideals of what is acceptable in a faith based society. No, I don't agree with what they do but it is not my place to force another culture to live by what I believe. In point of fact, I think what they see as acceptable for women is heinous in the extreme but again, its not my place to force my ideals on them.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I would not gamble a single life on that.

Then you might as well stop voting for the deranged maniacs who keep running the White House and sending American troops into other countries, like Bush and Obama. Assuming you don't want to "gamble a single life," that is.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Please explain your real point here

Point being you delude yourself into thinking you are "superior" to anyone who would focus on the analogy made in the original post. That's what you were saying isn't it? That you are superior in your reading/comprehension - superior in your assessment of the value of written text? That was the subtext, no? The meaning behind the words? Why else say what you originally said:

We often ignore rhetoric and focus on more credible context

Just "stating facts" in response to my post? No... I don't believe you were. Read back over your very first post to the thread, as I said. Scan it for "rhetoric", and let me know what you find.

 

[outhouse]

Then you might as well stop voting for the deranged maniacs who keep running the White House and sending American troops into other countries, like Bush and Obama. Assuming you don't want to "gamble a single life," that is.

Did not vote for either one.

But they are privy to information not made public.

Sometime military power needs to be exercised.

 

[outhouse]

Point being you delude yourself into thinking you are "superior"

I'm not.

I do possess enough religious knowledge to know and see dangerous fanaticism when its obvious

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, you are never, yes, that is NEVER, going to rid the world of religion.

It is not about that.

Many Jews and Christian I have no issue with because they actually practice moderation. No religion is safe, where moderation is not used.

No religion is safe when people throw away knowledge and education in place of mythology.

 

[JoStories]

It is not about that.

Many Jews and Christian I have no issue with because they actually practice moderation. No religion is safe, where moderation is not used.

No religion is safe when people throw away knowledge and education in place of mythology.

But you are assuming that every single Muslim on the planet embraces what these ISIS fools do and I assure you they do not. Most are peace loving. I agree there are those who are fanatical but so too, are many Christians, as evinced by people like Phelps and that Landover or whatever the name is down in Florida, church, and so on. I understand your fervor to protect you and your daughter and loved ones, but I also see that most Muslims feel the same about their families. You are blaming this, which was the actions of a few, on the entirety of the entire faith. That is not fair.

 

[outhouse]

But you are assuming that every single Muslim on the planet embraces what these ISIS fools do and I assure you they do not.

No I do not assume such.

I however understand the severe fanaticism required by all muslims.

Also half ish hate our guts, and still think religion should be ran by the government that promotes their sectarian violence.

but I also see that most Muslims feel the same about their families

They do. I agree.

But in the same time they spread the fanaticism and fundamentalism required by all. They Proselytize it.

Every last one is worse or similar then a YEC Christian IMHO, and I cannot see you sticking up for anyone who refuses so much credible knowledge.


Does YEC have negative aspects that embarrass humanity when refusing so much credible education and knowledge ?


Then why give muslims a free pass?


Here Is my only point, like YEC, if you don't recognize a problem, you cannot address the problem with any civility.

 

[outhouse]

By the way the country seems to align with me and I may have to change my opinion

Since this comment he OP is about, his poles have risen sharply.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I however understand the severe fanaticism required by all muslims.

There is no "required fanaticism." The way you talk, you'd think it would be impossible for there to be any Muslims who hold doctorate degrees, who practice medicine and science, and who are very smart and rational people.

Also half ish hate our guts

Again you show your prejudice. Not even close to half of them hate our guts. Many of them don't support a theocracy, and many of them do not support violence. Pretty much, what you are saying, how you paint with such broad stokes, is defamation of character. Yes, there are some bad ones. But every group has its bad people the world would be better off without.

 

[outhouse]

There is no "required fanaticism." The way you talk, you'd think it would be impossible for there to be any Muslims who hold doctorate degrees, who practice medicine and science, and who are very smart and rational people.

They factually require fanaticism. YEC can be doctors and lawyers ect ect, that does not mean they do not posses SEVERE fanaticism



There is not one credible muslim scholar who uses the koran for study on Jesus or any Israelite history. Because you cannot accept science or history in full if your muslim.


If science or history is different from the koran they are required to refuse it. And it is factually different in many areas.

We are talking about people who place a book over anything else in their lives.


At least YEC are the minority

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They factually require fanaticism.

No, they don't. You haven't even been able to prove this or provide any links that establish a correlation, or any passage from the Quran or any Hadith that says you must be a deranged fanatic.

Because you cannot accept science or history in full if your muslim.

I've met several Muslims who would disagree.

If science or history is different from the koran they are required to refuse it.

Again, no, they are not.

 

[outhouse]

No, they don't. You haven't even been able to prove this or provide any links that establish a correlation, or any passage from the Quran or any Hadith that says you must be a deranged fanatic.

I've met several Muslims who would disagree.

Again, no, they are not.

You probably don't call YEC fundamentalist either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You probably don't call YEC fundamentalist either.

YECs I do. However, not all Christians are YECs, and many of them accept science, evolution, and the age of the Earth being billions of years old. There is simply nothing inherent to Christianity that says you have to accept YEC or that you have to be a fundamentalist.

 

[outhouse]

I've met several Muslims who would disagree.

I have yet to meet a muslim I can have a reasonable conversation with that will agree with history or science. Not even my own family, my godfathers family is muslim.

Hell muslims argue more with muslims then westerners for that matter.


Find me one that agrees the koran has mythology in it.

Find one that states moses did not exist

That Abraham did not exist

That the koran is wrong on many scientific matters.


Any disagreement would mean they are not muslim because you have to place the book over anything else.

 

[outhouse]

. However, not all Christians are YECs

Agreed and I have stated this add nauseam.

YECs I do.

Well that same kind of fanaticism is exact same kind that is required to be a muslim.

You have to live your life around god fully, not half in half out, and not juts any god, only as the koran describes with no deviation, less the poor and vague text that are common and perverted into what ever one wishes. Of course depending on which sect your in