Trump's divisive Comments

[outhouse]

There is a line to be drawn for you personally. Would you do that with Islamic law sharia?

That may be half or more

Ask any muslim here, its not your Sunday religion. It is a complete way of life.

 

[Etritonakin]

Mr Trump was in the news recently threatening to keep out muslims from the US - he wants to hold a religious test in which muslims will automatically fail. But change the word US to Heaven and isn't it what religions like Christianity and Islam have been saying for centuries now? Heaven is segregated by religion, God will hold a religious test - you get a pass only if you are a Christian or Muslim, respectively, and others like us Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists are turned away - worse, we must suffer in hell for our "crime" of religion. Does this not remind you of Jews in Germany, seen not as human beings but seen only for their religion, hated, discriminated and sent to mass extermination camps - amazingly that is the view being expounded by the dominant religions of the day

While Mr Trump has been mocked soundly and rightly, no one holds the dominant religions to the same standard - a case of might makes right? A case of Victor's writing history books?

Funny thing though is that when faced with discrimination, there is instant enlightenment. Whether it is Christians under ISIS or muslims facing persecution as in the above, we get - "We should not judge people by religion, we are all human beings with families, loved ones, with hopes and desires like everyone else etc etc" - but once they become the majority, face no more discrimination, back comes the "you are all going to hell because you do not believe as we do etc etc".

Honestly, religious people are some of the most immoral people on this planet

I disagree -from a biblical perspective, at least.....

Though works -actions -can relate to religious beliefs, they do not necessarily.
Also, people are said (biblically) to be without excuse when their actions are obviously wrong -apparent based on the nature of reality. It relates to the law, but the law references reality.
For example.... Killing, stealing, etc... are evil because they are -because they cause evil consequences -not simply because the law said they were evil.

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Standing before God, one's previous religious beliefs or lack thereof will mean little -but one's works will be proof of their character -how they acted in reference to that which was apparently right and wrong.

There is also this ......

Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[JoStories]

By the way the country seems to align with me and I may have to change my opinion

Since this comment he OP is about, his poles have risen sharply.

If Tramp....I mean Trump.. truly becomes our next president, how do you see him being effective since two countries now have petitions to disallow him entry? And if he does become our president, I will emigrate the hell out of here. He cannot understand politics, he is a racist and openly makes rude remarks to the disabled, of which I am one, and more. How in the name of all that is good can anyone seeing this jack hole becoming a world leader??

 

[JoStories]

No I do not assume such.

I however understand the severe fanaticism required by all muslims.

Also half ish hate our guts, and still think religion should be ran by the government that promotes their sectarian violence.




They do. I agree.

But in the same time they spread the fanaticism and fundamentalism required by all. They Proselytize it.

Every last one is worse or similar then a YEC Christian IMHO, and I cannot see you sticking up for anyone who refuses so much credible knowledge.


Does YEC have negative aspects that embarrass humanity when refusing so much credible education and knowledge ?


Then why give muslims a free pass?


Here Is my only point, like YEC, if you don't recognize a problem, you cannot address the problem with any civility.

Outhouse, you know I love ya but here you are showing outright bigotry and that deeply saddens me. In reading your posts, you seem to intimate that you would gladly bomb every single Muslim straight to hell. And place those here already into internment camps. How does that not make you just like them? You are advocating genocide. Young Earth creationists are simply delusional Christians and a rather smaller group of that faith. Yeah, they are deluded but comparing the two seems to make no sense to me. If your comparison is simply the degree of fanaticism, I would disagree. And furthermore, having worked with many PhD level nurses and doctors, I have found all of them to be kind and loving people who practice their faith no differently than a Jew or a Christian.

 

[JoStories]

I have yet to meet a muslim I can have a reasonable conversation with that will agree with history or science. Not even my own family, my godfathers family is muslim.

Hell muslims argue more with muslims then westerners for that matter.


Find me one that agrees the koran has mythology in it.

Find one that states moses did not exist

That Abraham did not exist

That the koran is wrong on many scientific matters.


Any disagreement would mean they are not muslim because you have to place the book over anything else.

Find me a Christian that does not believe that Moses or Abraham truly existed or admits to the glaring mistakes in the Bible. You won't find many. So your point is rather vague IMO. Its called faith and belief, neither of which are particularly logical most of the time. Your obvious hatred of this one faith is nothing short of bigotry Outhouse and mostly based on media misrepresentation. Its the kind of thinking I would expect from Fox news and that is the worst news station I have ever seen in my life.

 

[outhouse]

Find me a Christian that does not believe that Moses or Abraham truly existed or admits to the glaring mistakes in the Bible

Lets use a more accurate guide for literalism that is fanaticism. We are talking about levels of LITERALISM here that promotes fanaticism.

The global flood and noah is a prime example of faulty literalism, most Christians do not follow this mythology as being real.

muslims cannot discount the prophets in the koran or they discount muhammads credibility, which they are raised to defend.

This is the exact level of moderation Christians possess, muslism do not


Now with education Christians can overcome this. We have two credible Christian scholars here, that I would support, and we all see thing in Christian and Israelite history similar.

There is no such thing as a credible muslim scholar, no muslim cannot teach against the mistakes in the koran, or they would not be muslim.

Have you ever wondered why no where in the whole world is there on muslim scholar that uses the koran for any credible aspect in Jesus or Israelite history?????? Because unlike the bible, the koran has no historical value on these topics, so it is a complete refusal of academic knowledge.

Christianity at least has levels of fanaticism, but fanaticism with much less violence. Have you ever seen MODERN Christians wanting to commit genocide over their mythological beliefs? Ever seen modern Catholics try to exterminate or commit genocide against Luthrens? Like sunni and shiites do ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well that same kind of fanaticism is exact same kind that is required to be a muslim.

You still haven't provided evidence of this.

 

[outhouse]

In reading your posts, you seem to intimate that you would gladly bomb every single Muslim straight to hell.

Then you don't know me yet. My true and honest attempt is reform, not committing the same crimes these people do as a whole.

With you, I'm trying to get you to recognize the problem. If we don't admit or even recognize a problem, then nothing can be fixed.


Islam was once the worlds center for learning and scientific knowledge, that is factually gone. All of TODAYS modern versions have lost that ability due to the level of literalism of the mythology.

You can, with all honesty place muslims and YEC in the same boat. If you do not agree, why?

 

[outhouse]

You still haven't provided evidence of this.

Islam was once the worlds center for learning and scientific knowledge, that is factually gone. All of TODAYS modern versions have lost that ability due to the level of literalism of the mythology.

You can, with all honesty place muslims and YEC in the same boat. If you do not agree, why?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You can, with all honesty place muslims and YEC in the same boat. If you do not agree, why?

Because I know, factually, that is not the case. This "required fanaticism" nonsense just does not exist, and if it did we would probably see very few Muslims learning and teaching in fully accredited universities.

 

[outhouse]

This "required fanaticism" nonsense just does not exist, and if it did we would probably see very few Muslims learning and teaching in fully accredited universities.

That is an eye opening reply.

But, YEC also are learning and teaching in fully accredited universities.


I will give you points for your reply, but the answer lies between us. Think about this.

YEC is not a sunday religion it is a committed way of life, islam is not a sunday religion, it is a complete way of life.

The terrorist who just murdered people in Ca, he did the same and studied, but you would argue he was not a fundamentalist because he attended accredited university?

 

[outhouse]

To stay on topic.

The American public is siding with Trump on this, his popularity has grown.


I think some 52% agree with him.

When his name is taken out of the poll, and asked about stopping muslims from coming in it goes up over 60%.

 

[JoStories]

Then you don't know me yet. My true and honest attempt is reform, not committing the same crimes these people do as a whole.

With you, I'm trying to get you to recognize the problem. If we don't admit or even recognize a problem, then nothing can be fixed.


Islam was once the worlds center for learning and scientific knowledge, that is factually gone. All of TODAYS modern versions have lost that ability due to the level of literalism of the mythology.

You can, with all honesty place muslims and YEC in the same boat. If you do not agree, why?

And yet, as shadow pointed out, and as I have mentioned myself a few times, Muslims are in teaching positions and furthermore, some of the ones I know advocate their wives to similar roles. Using one example, Haslem, my friend who is a PhD level nurse, teaches nursing and his specialty is nursing's political voice. Keep in mind that nursing continues to be a largely female career, although thankfully, that is changing. So this man is advocating for nurses to be in political places, and that still today means mostly women. How would a fanatical Muslim be able to embrace this line of thought? I do recognize the problem Outhouse, don't misunderstand me. I am not living in a bubble. But I am also liberal and don't believe that blocking all people who happen to be Muslim from trying to be free of that regime is the right answer. I don't believe reacting in the manner that Trump has, and believe me, I loathe this man and pray to the powers that be he goes away quickly, will ever be the answer to this issue.

 

[JoStories]

Lets use a more accurate guide for literalism that is fanaticism. We are talking about levels of LITERALISM here that promotes fanaticism.

The global flood and noah is a prime example of faulty literalism, most Christians do not follow this mythology as being real.

muslims cannot discount the prophets in the koran or they discount muhammads credibility, which they are raised to defend.

This is the exact level of moderation Christians possess, muslism do not


Now with education Christians can overcome this. We have two credible Christian scholars here, that I would support, and we all see thing in Christian and Israelite history similar.

There is no such thing as a credible muslim scholar, no muslim cannot teach against the mistakes in the koran, or they would not be muslim.

Have you ever wondered why no where in the whole world is there on muslim scholar that uses the koran for any credible aspect in Jesus or Israelite history?????? Because unlike the bible, the koran has no historical value on these topics, so it is a complete refusal of academic knowledge.

Christianity at least has levels of fanaticism, but fanaticism with much less violence. Have you ever seen MODERN Christians wanting to commit genocide over their mythological beliefs? Ever seen modern Catholics try to exterminate or commit genocide against Luthrens? Like sunni and shiites do ?

and yet 500 years ago, Catholics and protestants were at war with each other to the point of murder often times. I know you see the parallels as you are as well educated as I am in this field. The difference here, IMO, is the degree of weapons we have, the far reaches of technology and the ability of world travel at a moment's notice, among other things. 500 years ago, travel to spread the word took weeks if not months. Today, its a few hours flight time. Or better yet, turn on the TV or PC and there you go. Add to that the media, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest their armpits, and you have jaded and unfair views of what is happening.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To stay on topic.

The American public is siding with Trump on this, his popularity has grown.


I think some 52% agree with him.

When his name is taken out of the poll, and asked about stopping muslims from coming in it goes up over 60%.

And don't forget we used to agree with Hitler. We even taught him eugenics.

 

[james dixon]

Somethings need repeating & I hope MSNBC gets a notice as well----------------


President Trump’s decision Thursday to impose crippling tariffs on the imports of steel and aluminum took many by surprise — particularly investors, as the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed the day’s trading down more than 400 points, or 1.7 percent, at 24,608.

But one billionaire investor and former Trump adviser, Carl Icahn, was seemingly unvexed, having dumped a million shares tied to the steel industry a week before the president announced 25 percent tariffs for foreign-made steel.


A Feb. 22 SEC filing shows Icahn sold off his $31.3 million stake in the Manitowoc Company, which is a leading global manufacturer of cranes for heavy construction based in Manitowoc, Wis., according to the company’s website. Since Trump’s announcement Thursday, Manitowoc’s stock has plummeted to about $26. Icahn — who has had majority interest in several companies including Motorola, Xerox, Family Dollar and Pep Boys — had sold his shares for about $32 to $34 each, according to the filing.

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[Faithofchristian]

Mr Trump was in the news recently threatening to keep out muslims from the US - he wants to hold a religious test in which muslims will automatically fail. But change the word US to Heaven and isn't it what religions like Christianity and Islam have been saying for centuries now? Heaven is segregated by religion, God will hold a religious test - you get a pass only if you are a Christian or Muslim, respectively, and others like us Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists are turned away - worse, we must suffer in hell for our "crime" of religion. Does this not remind you of Jews in Germany, seen not as human beings but seen only for their religion, hated, discriminated and sent to mass extermination camps - amazingly that is the view being expounded by the dominant religions of the day

While Mr Trump has been mocked soundly and rightly, no one holds the dominant religions to the same standard - a case of might makes right? A case of Victor's writing history books?

Funny thing though is that when faced with discrimination, there is instant enlightenment. Whether it is Christians under ISIS or muslims facing persecution as in the above, we get - "We should not judge people by religion, we are all human beings with families, loved ones, with hopes and desires like everyone else etc etc" - but once they become the majority, face no more discrimination, back comes the "you are all going to hell because you do not believe as we do etc etc".

Honestly, religious people are some of the most immoral people on this planet

Look, Trump didn't say all Muslims, Trump said only from those Muslim Countries who harbor terrorist, That there would be a ban on those Countries, so that Terrorist can not slip thru and come here.

This is what happens when people mis quote what other people are saying and meaning.

Look you can not discriminate against other people of other countries when they have no Constitutional Rights. When they are not American Citizens.

No one in those other Countries have Constitutional Rights, until they become a Citizen of the United States.

Therefore Pres Trump as the President of the United States, has every right to ban any people in any countries from coming here who poses a threat to the people of the United States.

That's the job of the President to protect the people of the United States, from those who poses a threat to the people of the United States.
And if takes to put a ban on countries who harbor Terrorist, who poses a threat to the people of the United States, then President Trump has every right to do so as President of the United States, to protect the American people.
Therefore there is No divisive comments of President Trump's.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Their own country was America not Japan. They were AMERICAN CITIZENS.

You just don't get it now do you, Why do you suppose back at that time, Japanese people were put in those camps, to protect them, all because in case their were some Terrorists among them, that my seek to hurt American people. Until they could determine Who', who.

Let's for say, you have people that wants to hurt you, but they are all of the same race,
But yet there some people in that race that doesn't want to hurt you, Now what would you do to determine Who's, who ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Mr Trump was in the news recently threatening to keep out muslims from the US - he wants to hold a religious test in which muslims will automatically fail. But change the word US to Heaven and isn't it what religions like Christianity and Islam have been saying for centuries now? Heaven is segregated by religion, God will hold a religious test - you get a pass only if you are a Christian or Muslim, respectively, and others like us Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists are turned away - worse, we must suffer in hell for our "crime" of religion. Does this not remind you of Jews in Germany, seen not as human beings but seen only for their religion, hated, discriminated and sent to mass extermination camps - amazingly that is the view being expounded by the dominant religions of the day

While Mr Trump has been mocked soundly and rightly, no one holds the dominant religions to the same standard - a case of might makes right? A case of Victor's writing history books?

Funny thing though is that when faced with discrimination, there is instant enlightenment. Whether it is Christians under ISIS or muslims facing persecution as in the above, we get - "We should not judge people by religion, we are all human beings with families, loved ones, with hopes and desires like everyone else etc etc" - but once they become the majority, face no more discrimination, back comes the "you are all going to hell because you do not believe as we do etc etc".

Honestly, religious people are some of the most immoral people on this planet

You say, we shouldn't judge people by their religion, If that religion of those people poses a threat to us, then yes those people in other countries who poses a threat to us, Then President Trump as the President of the United States is within his rights to ban those people from other countries from coming here. Who poses a threat to the American people.

 

[RabbiO]

Look you can not discriminate against other people of other countries when they have no Constitutional Rights. When they are not American Citizens.

No one in those other Countries have Constitutional Rights, until they become a Citizen of the United States.

Actually, your understanding is incorrect, unless you meant something of a more limited nature, but lacked the skill to adequately express it.