Trump's divisive Comments

[outhouse]

As I said, it was aimed at your claim we are not raised to be violent in the West

We are factually not "AS" violent.

I never stated we are not violence free.

You cannot hide middle eastern violence with liberalism

 

[leibowde84]

As I said, it was aimed at your claim we are not raised to be violent in the West, but this is clearly not the case. Our choices to be entertained with sport are violent, we think we have to have guns to be safe and free, and we have mass-shootings on a daily basis. People are indeed raised to believe violence is a solution, many believe it is perfectly ok to hit children, we laugh at the pain of others, and places like Chicago and Indianapolis are plagued with violence.

It's still not the NFL admitting there is a direct link between football and brain trauma. Rather, they have fought it and viciously slandered doctors who have came forward with their studies and data suggesting a link between the two. And it still doesn't involve the fans reacting and realizing their pleasure is another's pain and suffering. As I said, it's not the athletes, it's everyone else. I even remember on several occasions the UFC tried to claim their sport is rather safe, even though it involves people getting pounded in the head on a regular basis (I even went to school with someone who is doing his grad paper on the claim, and he is finding MMA is really hard on the brain).

But, professional sports aren't meant to be "safe". These are the best of the best playing a contact sport. People get hurt, but, nevertheless, people spend their lives training to just get a chance to go pro. I get your concern, but I think that people should be free to put themselves in harms way for entertainment purposes and/or to make a living, as this is a free-country, and they aren't doing anything illegal. In a free society, we have to take the bad along with the good.

 

[Lyndon]

With the exception of war torn countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Muslim countries mostly have a lower murder rate than the USA, we've brought this up before, and its well documented. The idea that Muslims are more violent than Christians or Americans is really just another media myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I came into the thread and thought the OP had an interesting point, then went on to read what I expected to be interesting responses - but in the first few pages, it seemed like no one actually responded to the analogy made in the OP - which was basically equating:

"You can't come into our [country], you are [Muslim]."

with

"You can't come into our [heaven], you are [a sinner]."

I thought it a clever analogy at first, then started comparing the "Muslim" (an unknown/stranger, who, by default one should hold nothing against) to "a sinner" (supposedly a known quantity to "God", who is the one holding the keys to opening the gates of heaven). That's basically where I see the analogy breaking down - and where excuses would come from the Abrahamic faiths that it isn't "immoral" for God to bar access to heaven. That God (again, suppoosedly) does know the sinner is a sinner - but a country does not know a Muslim is a terrorist.

 

[outhouse]

no one actually responded to the analogy made in the OP - which was basically equating:

"You can't come into our [country], you are [Muslim]."

with

"You can't come into our [heaven], you are [a sinner]."

We often ignore rhetoric and focus on more credible context

 

[leibowde84]

With the exception of war torn countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Muslim countries mostly have a lower murder rate than the USA, we've brought this up before, and its well documented. The idea that Muslims are more violent than Christians or Americans is really just another media myth.

Who is this in response to?

 

[Lyndon]

Read the thread.

 

[outhouse]

With the exception of war torn countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Muslim countries mostly have a lower murder rate than the USA, we've brought this up before, and its well documented. The idea that Muslims are more violent than Christians or Americans is really just another media myth.

When you limit war torn countries, you limit almost all muslims


Your wiki list is also worthless. It only shows usa being higher compared to each individual country by themselves.

Go find a credible list that shows violent death, and islam is buried in death and blood and guts, genocide and terrible acts against humanity.

 

[leibowde84]

Read the thread.

To the OP then?

 

[outhouse]

Islamic genocide by the millions not even using the hundreds of thousands. Most westerners don't even have a clue how bad islamic violence really is but wish to open borders ignorantly.

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Nigeria, by Muslim [Hausa] dominated forces against the Ibo / Christians [1966-1970].[38][39]

Casualties: 3,500,000 - Sudan - from 1953 to 2005.[27] Including 2,500,000 between 1983-2005.[28][29]
Nature: Arab Islamic "supremacy" over "inferior" Southerners. [30][31] Jihad declared in 1983 by Numeiri,[32] and 1991 by al-Bashir.[33]

Casualties: 2,700,000 Chritians - (1915-1923) by Ottoman-Empire Muslim Turkey. 750,000 Assyrians, 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.[1]
Nature: 1.) Ethnic cleansing.[2] 2.) Islamic Jihad.[3]

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Bangladesh, 1971 (by Pakistan).[43]
Nature: Islamic Pakistanis' contempt for "impure" Bengalis.[44]

Casualties: Between 500,000 and 1,500,000 - Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).[62]
Nature: 1.) Sunni-Shiite intolerance.[63] 2.) Arab racism/supremacy against Persians by Baathist Iraq.[64] 3.) Persian racism against Arabs.[65]

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

We often ignore rhetoric and focus on more credible context

Haha... really? Then I suggest you re-read the replies just following the OP - see if you can find any "credible context". Actually - your very first reply to the thread seems like you might just be the pot calling the kettle black here...

 

[outhouse]

Haha... really? Then I suggest you re-read the replies just following the OP - see if you can find any "credible context". Actually - your very first reply to the thread seems like you might just be the pot calling the kettle black here...

Please explain your real point here

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islamic genocide by the millions not even using the hundreds of thousands. Most westerners don't even have a clue how bad islamic violence really is but wish to open borders ignorantly.

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Nigeria, by Muslim [Hausa] dominated forces against the Ibo / Christians [1966-1970].[38][39]

Casualties: 3,500,000 - Sudan - from 1953 to 2005.[27] Including 2,500,000 between 1983-2005.[28][29]
Nature: Arab Islamic "supremacy" over "inferior" Southerners. [30][31] Jihad declared in 1983 by Numeiri,[32] and 1991 by al-Bashir.[33]

Casualties: 2,700,000 Chritians - (1915-1923) by Ottoman-Empire Muslim Turkey. 750,000 Assyrians, 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.[1]
Nature: 1.) Ethnic cleansing.[2] 2.) Islamic Jihad.[3]

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Bangladesh, 1971 (by Pakistan).[43]
Nature: Islamic Pakistanis' contempt for "impure" Bengalis.[44]

Casualties: Between 500,000 and 1,500,000 - Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).[62]
Nature: 1.) Sunni-Shiite intolerance.[63] 2.) Arab racism/supremacy against Persians by Baathist Iraq.[64] 3.) Persian racism against Arabs.[65]

And Hitler, who very often wrote he was doing the Will of God, wiped out about 2/3s of the European Jewish population, about 6 million, performed by just one group waving the banner of Christ. But of course no one even thinks to blame or ban Christianity, and we even make excuses over it. We'll say it was politically motivated, but we won't bring up the fact that groups like ISIS have their own political motivations. We don't even talk much about how many ISIS supporters don't actually support them but they do provide a means for fighting against their enemies, who generally tend to be other Muslims. And hardly anyone ever brings up how severe political and social instability, as we see in the Middle East, tends to create festering cesspools of violence.

 

[outhouse]

And Hitler, who very often wrote he was doing the Will of God, wiped out about 2/3s of the European Jewish population, about 6 million, performed by just one group waving the banner of Christ

He perverted religion, but he factually was not taking over the world in the name of god and religion

No comparison here. These are some pretty desperate attempts to promote some personal liberal agenda, instead of focusing on loss of lives in the USA at the hand of religious zealots.


Are you protecting terrorism ?

 

[Kapalika]

We dropped two atomic bombs which can be argued saved millions of Japanese lives and hundreds of thousands of USA soldiers lives.

The Japanese during this war were very barbaric people who did things so cruel, their wartime legacy needed to be stopped at any cost.

Better that a quarter million people "max estimate" die, then any of our own citizens stopping the axis of evil.

War is terrible. Next time anyone thinks about starting one they had better think about which toe of the giant you decide to scratch. Evil might get stepped on.


We stand for freedom, freedom for and from primitive religions and the fanaticism they breed. But that gift will only be stretched so far.





Rightfully so. We were at war with these people.

There are cost to be paid for war, and when Japan decided to take on a sleeping giant, they themselves created this circumstance. They have their previous government to blame.

Now islam, and a very large portion of islam, is messing with the whole globe and all other cultures of innocent people different from them, due to what most call mythology, mythology they refuse to address on an academic level due to fanaticism.

History in a hundred years will, I'm my opinion will look back on this, and it will be viewed as primitive and as barbaric as the Christians and the dark ages.

Do the rules allow for this kind of ignorant, racist bigotry? Apparently he thinks it's totally okay to violate American's civil rights and human rights just to make him feel safer.

For the record, less than 50 people have died to Muslim terrorists in America since 9/11. Compare that to how many have died to Christian terrorists... which is in the hundreds.

I'm pretty anti Islam but at least I recognize that 99% of muslims are not violent and won't do anything, they are just terrified and fleeing from ISIL.

Also you don't know anything about the refugee process.. .you gotta go through the UN, FBI, and so many other organizations with extensive background checks.

They have their previous government to blame.

Many didn't even know how to speak Japanese who were thrown into the internment camp and were American born citizens and their family had been here for years!

You are a very sick and disturbed human being.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He perverted religion,

As I said, people make excuses.

 

[Revoltingest]

A news item suggests Yale students might support Trump by their opposition to the 1st Amendment.....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/1...t-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment/

....Horowitz discovered a solid majority of the students asked willingly signed the petition, with several expressing their enthusiastic approval for his anti-First Amendment efforts.
“I think it’s really awesome that you’re out here,” said one student.

For reference, the 1st Amendment.....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[outhouse]

you gotta go through the UN, FBI, and so many other organizations with extensive background checks.

Obviously they failed, and do little to actually research anyone. Knowing how government works, you cannot rely on them for personal protection.

 

[Lyndon]

Islamic genocide by the millions not even using the hundreds of thousands. Most westerners don't even have a clue how bad islamic violence really is but wish to open borders ignorantly.

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Nigeria, by Muslim [Hausa] dominated forces against the Ibo / Christians [1966-1970].[38][39]

Casualties: 3,500,000 - Sudan - from 1953 to 2005.[27] Including 2,500,000 between 1983-2005.[28][29]
Nature: Arab Islamic "supremacy" over "inferior" Southerners. [30][31] Jihad declared in 1983 by Numeiri,[32] and 1991 by al-Bashir.[33]

Casualties: 2,700,000 Chritians - (1915-1923) by Ottoman-Empire Muslim Turkey. 750,000 Assyrians, 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.[1]
Nature: 1.) Ethnic cleansing.[2] 2.) Islamic Jihad.[3]

Casualties: 3,000,000 - Bangladesh, 1971 (by Pakistan).[43]
Nature: Islamic Pakistanis' contempt for "impure" Bengalis.[44]

Casualties: Between 500,000 and 1,500,000 - Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).[62]
Nature: 1.) Sunni-Shiite intolerance.[63] 2.) Arab racism/supremacy against Persians by Baathist Iraq.[64] 3.) Persian racism against Arabs.[65]

Not much compared to the Christian country casualties, is it??? WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Etc Etc Etc

 

[outhouse]

Apparently he thinks it's totally okay to violate American's civil rights and human rights just to make him feel safer

Thanks for playing, but that was the presidents decision he made at the time during a world war. Not mine.

I stand behind it, for the one aspect that it did not make people feel safer as much as actually make them safer. I have no compassion for the ideology that murdered 10.2 Million people.

Your petty personal insults are noted however as a desperate attempt to avoid refuting a word I wrote.

I'm pretty anti Islam but at least I recognize that 99% of muslims are not violent and won't do anything, they are just terrified and fleeing from ISIL.

I'm anti fanaticism, not anti muslim. It just happens that most muslims today live fanaticism. There is a difference.

You recognize incorrectly. Probably 1/3 to a 1/2 clapped and cheered when 9/11 took place. Or more.

Somewhere around half also want to tie government and mythology together, and mythical based laws enforced. I think personally this is primitive at best.

Maybe you don't understand how deep the required fanaticism is to live what many of the educated people is modern society call mythology.


Its also my opinion this hatred of western academia and knowledge, combined with severe illiteracy, combined with required fanaticism, leaves a very small gap between an average muslim and a terrorist muslim.

Its my opinion right or wrong, the further one lives away from reality, the easier it is to go "off the rail" in society so to speak. Especially a society dare I say most of them hate and do not understand?


Just so you know, normal muslims in Africa are joining these groups for $50 and a cell phone due to extreme poverty in these illiterate places.


Maybe you don't understand the largest enemy of a muslim is another muslim


But most of all, maybe you don't understand my reply your just now quoting, was to someone supporting terrorist ideology. You go ahead and take his side.