"Trump's Lies vs. Obama's"

[leibowde84]

Clinton supported NAFTA, Brown did not. Brown supported a living wage, Clinton did not. Why do you care anyway?

I'm curious, that's all. There are very, very few politicians that I care for personality wise. But, there are many that I don't necessarily like in this way that I still fervently support. That is why I was surprised.

Are you someone who believes that trade deals are a significant contributing factor in the disappearance of U.S. manufacturing jobs? What evidence are you basing that on?

 

[Stevicus]

I'm curious, that's all. There are very, very few politicians that I care for personality wise. But, there are many that I don't necessarily like in this way that I still fervently support. That is why I was surprised.

Why would anyone fervently support Clinton? He was a Republican in a Democrat's clothing. He and his ilk betrayed the party's principles, and anyone who would give him any support at all (let alone "fervent" support) is a large part of the problem. Why didn't you support Brown or someone like Nader? Why support pro-business types like Clinton?

Are you someone who believes that trade deals are a significant contributing factor in the disappearance of U.S. manufacturing jobs? What evidence are you basing that on?

Rain is wet. Figure it out for yourself.

 

[leibowde84]

Why would anyone fervently support Clinton? He was a Republican in a Democrat's clothing. He and his ilk betrayed the party's principles, and anyone who would give him any support at all (let alone "fervent" support) is a large part of the problem. Why didn't you support Brown or someone like Nader? Why support pro-business types like Clinton?

I had barely entered high school when Clinton left office, so this is merely a straw man that cannot even logically be associated with me. I did not suggest fervently supporting Clinton.

Rain is wet. Figure it out for yourself.

Well, common sense would point to the obvious reason of automation. Jobs disappear when the manufacturing process improves with automation.

 

[Stevicus]

I had barely entered high school when Clinton left office, so this is merely a straw man that cannot even logically be associated with me. I did not suggest fervently supporting Clinton.

Okay, well perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to when you said "But, there are many that I don't necessarily like in this way that I still fervently support." I honestly didn't know how old you were.

Well, common sense would point to the obvious reason of automation. Jobs disappear when the manufacturing process improves with automation.

If that were true, our balance of trade would be better. If we import manufactured goods which could have been produced here (automated or not), then it's bad for our economy.

As you can see in the above chart, our trade deficit skyrocketed after NAFTA was implemented.

Also: Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

The U.S. middle class had $17,867 less income in 2007 because of the growth of inequality since 1979
Household income of the broad middle class, actual and projected assuming no growth in inequality, 1979–2011

You can see the charts for the statements below in the link above. I couldn't link them for inline viewing:


Workers produced much more, but typical workers’ pay lagged far behind

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When it comes to the pace of annual pay increases, the top 1% wage grew 138% since 1979, while wages for the bottom 90% grew 15%

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Middle-class wages are stagnant—Middle-wage workers’ hourly wage is up 6% since 1979, low-wage workers’ wages are down 5%, while those with very high wages saw a 41% increase

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Wages of young college grads have been falling since 2000

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Employers are cutting health care for young workers, both college and high school graduates

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The minimum wage would be over $18 had it risen along with productivity

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Why the UN is investigating extreme poverty … in America, the world's richest nation

With 41 million Americans officially in poverty according to the US Census Bureau (other estimates put that figure much higher), one aim of the UN mission will be to demonstrate that no country, however wealthy, is immune from human suffering induced by growing inequality. Nor is any nation, however powerful, beyond the reach of human rights law – a message that the US government and Donald Trump might find hard to stomach given their tendency to regard internal affairs as sacrosanct.

41 Million Americans Are Living In Poverty This Christmas

Los Angeles has declared a state of emergency because the number of homeless is rising so rapidly, and so have nine other cities along the west coast. For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled “As America Gives Thanks, Homelessness Continues To Set New Records In Major Cities All Over The Nation”.

The sad thing is that there are more than a million homes sitting empty in America right now. As economic opportunities have dried up, many communities in the middle part of the nation are becoming “ghost towns”, and it is getting worse with each passing day…



There are nearly 1.4 million vacant residential properties across the country — abandoned, not for sale, mostly unoccupied homes. With vacant properties comprising as much as 30% of residential properties, some neighborhoods are starting to feel like ghost towns.

There are plenty of indicators which show that the US economy is on the brink of disaster, so I will admit I get easily irritated by those who are in denial and smugly ask for "evidence" that rain is wet. Americans have been fed so many lies for decades that it takes international observers from the UN to tell us what's what.

And yet, so many Americans, even those who identify as "Democrats" (DINOs), tell us that everything is great. Even Hillary seemed to be in denial throughout her entire campaign, as she seemed to believe that the only problem in America is that there aren't enough female CEOs breaking through the "glass ceiling." It's that kind of thinking which demonstrates just how out of touch many at the top are these days.

Maybe my view might be somewhat tempered by the fact that I live in the 5th poorest city in America. (America's 11 poorest cities)

11. Louisville, KY
10. Boston, MA
9. Indianapolis, IN
8. El Paso, TX
7. Fresno, CA
6. Baltimore, MD
5. Tucson, AZ
4. Memphis, TN
3. Philadelphia, PA
2. Milwaukee, WI
1. Detroit, MI

They're not all in red states either, such as Boston and Fresno. Income inequality is quite stark on the coasts. You can't blame it on Trump or even the Republicans, since the Democrats have been a willing part of this game as well.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then why aren't the democrates holding Hillary accountable for her abuse of power. But yet Liberals went right out and votes for her misconduct,

How about you just provide an example of your last claims instead of making a whole host of new claims? The Gish Gallop isn't going to work on me.

Seeing that you don't have any knowledge about the Statue of limitation, That after 7 years you can go back on someone to what they did 15 to 20 years ago.

So you're saying that if someone committed a crime 20 years ago, we should just let it go, because the statute of limitations may be up? Seriously?

And guess what, it was Democrates who want the statue of limitations.of not being able to prosecute anyone that's goes beyond the 7 years of the statue of limitations.

Pardon?



Look, do you have examples of your claims about "fake news," or not?

 

[SkepticThinker]

So you say.Trump lied about nothing, So the Mainstream News Media say.Trump lies.
The Mainstream fake News Media has been caught more than once for their lies in and about Trump.

Trump lies quite frequently.

Still waiting for that example ....

How's about Obama gave pass to terror drug ring to avoid "Rocking the boat" on Iran deal. What's that all about.
It seems like every day something coming out on Democrates Criminal activity of Corruption.
Of course the Mainstream fake News Media will not tell you anything, only covering up for the democrates Criminal activity of Corruption.

How about sticking to the topic at hand for a change?

Got that example?

 

[metis]

Still waiting for that example ....

Good luck getting that. It's easy for those whom are blind followers of one like Trump to parrot what they hear on right-wing t.v. but actually getting them to do any homework is like pulling dragon's teeth.

 

[Faithofchristian]

How about you just provide an example of your last claims instead of making a whole host of new claims? The Gish Gallop isn't going to work on me.

So you're saying that if someone committed a crime 20 years ago, we should just let it go, because the statute of limitations may be up? Seriously?

If nothing was found, on that person, and then the statute limitations runs out, well that's how it is, if you don't like it, all I can say is, take it up with the Democratic Party, since they came up with the statute limitations back during the early 1960's


Pardon?



Look, do you have examples of your claims about "fake news," or not?

Heck, if you can't tell when your being lied to, Now that's amazing.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Trump lies quite frequently.

That's what the mainstream fake news media wants you to hear.

Still waiting for your example....

Still waiting for that example ....

Well if you quit watching the Fake News Media long enough, you may just find things out.


How about sticking to the topic at hand for a change?

Got that example?

 

[Faithofchristian]

How about you just provide an example of your last claims instead of making a whole host of new claims? The Gish Gallop isn't going to work on me.

So you're saying that if someone committed a crime 20 years ago, we should just let it go, because the statute of limitations may be up? Seriously?


Pardon?



Look, do you have examples of your claims about "fake news," or not?

What about fake news reporting how Trump was supposed to be in collusion with Russia, here we are going into another year, still the democrates have nothing.

Only that Hillary and Obama making a uranium deal with Russia,

How many democrates will it take for you to realize that Democrates are Criminals of Corruption, sexual misconduct towards women.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Heck, if you can't tell when your being lied to, Now that's amazing.

Heck, if you can't show where anyone is being lied to, why should I bother listening to you?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Still waiting for that example ....

Well if you quit watching the Fake News Media long enough, you may just find things out.

I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What about fake news reporting how Trump was supposed to be in collusion with Russia, here we are going into another year, still the democrates have nothing.

Not sure if you've noticed, but there's a lengthy, ongoing investigation surrounding that. Two people have been indicted. Is it "fake news" to report it??

Only that Hillary and Obama making a uranium deal with Russia,

I see you've bought the Trump line on that one. Is Trump where you get your news from?

How many democrates will it take for you to realize that Democrates are Criminals of Corruption, sexual misconduct towards women.

How many times do I have to ask you to back up your claims before you actually do it?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Heck, if you can't show where anyone is being lied to, why should I bother listening to you?

Exactly, why should I listen to you, Was it not Hillary and the democratic party that said, well Republicans be able to handle the lost.
So look at the Liberal democrates, who are the ones that can handle the defeat.
And after a year, democrates still can't handle they lost. Go Figure

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not sure if you've noticed, but there's a lengthy, ongoing investigation surrounding that. Two people have been indicted. Is it "fake news" to report it??

Are you freaking kidding me, a person would know by common sense that after a year, and still haven't found anything, chances is their not going to, but then you don't have common sense, to realize that.

I see you've bought the Trump line on that one. Is Trump where you get your news from?

How many times do I have to ask you to back up your claims before you actually do it?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Exactly, why should I listen to you, Was it not Hillary and the democratic party that said, well Republicans be able to handle the lost.
So look at the Liberal democrates, who are the ones that can handle the defeat.
And after a year, democrates still can't handle they lost. Go Figure

What are you talking about?

Trump seems to be the one who can't get over the election and has to talk about it constantly. So again I ask, is Trump your source of information?

You keep saying I'm being lied to, yet over and over again you have failed to provide anything that backs up your claim. Hence the reason I ask why I should listen to you. If it's as obvious as you think, examples should be abundant.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you freaking kidding me, a person would know by common sense that after a year, and still haven't found anything, chances is their not going to, but then you don't have common sense, to realize that.

What part of the investigation is still ongoing do you not understand? Two people have been indicted so far. That's not nothing. I wonder what your definition of common sense is.

So you don't have an example. Just say so then.

 

[Falvlun]

Only that Hillary and Obama making a uranium deal with Russia.

Can you explain exactly what was wrong or illegal about Uranium One? Or do you just know to say “Uranium One” as an example?

 

[metis]

The "Uranium One" deal is being pushed by those on the right as something shady that Hillary was supposedly involved in that has already been discounted by different sources. It's like those on the right get a little erection every time someone says the name "Benghazi".

BTW, can'tya just tell who watches Fox for their "news".

 

[leibowde84]

What about fake news reporting how Trump was supposed to be in collusion with Russia, here we are going into another year, still the democrates have nothing.

Only that Hillary and Obama making a uranium deal with Russia,

How many democrates will it take for you to realize that Democrates are Criminals of Corruption, sexual misconduct towards women.

So are Republicans. It's pretty freaking obvious that both parties are guilty of these things. When it comes to sexual indecency you can bring up Bill Clinton, I'll bring up Trump. When it comes to corruption, you can bring up Hillary Clinton, I'll bring up Richard Nixon. The lists for both parties are extensive. Anyone who claims that one party is more guilty than the other is wearing their bias on their sleeves.