Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Polymath257]

You would know nothing if you weren't taught by your teaches so I can speak for you. you leaned something that was new to you but it already existed awaiting your discovery.

Really? Are you sure of that? This gets into some pretty deep philosophy of mathematics.

God said "there's nothing new under the heavens, all things continue as they have from the beginning" This means nothing new will ever be discovered, God already created everything that exists and nothing new will be created.

There's no new knowledge in the universe, it's only new to those who stumble upon it or discover it while looking for something new.

That's what it means to be new knowledge: it's the first time someone has 'stumbled on it or discovered it'. If nobody else discovered it, it is new.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I disagree. God is Creator — not “was” Creator. Creation is a living process, not a museum exhibit.

He will renovate and renew His people and the cosmos, as is necessary after 6000 years of abuse and debauchery. He doesn't need to create any more matter, He has plenty to work with,.

 

[Polymath257]

It makes me so sad to see so many asleep and just waiting for reality to slam into them like a semi trailer at 100 MPH. Have you hear about those wise guys who planned to have a good time, but they were oblivious to the pending disaster, which was about to destroy their country

You mean like those on Jan 6 that were trying to overthrow an election?

Yes, we have to take the conspiracy groups a LOT more seriously.

 

[sojourner]

It makes me so sad to see so many asleep and just waiting for reality to slam into them like a semi trailer at 100 MPH. Have you hear about those wise guys who planned to have a good time, but they were oblivious to the pending disaster, which was about to destroy their country

Reality is about to slam full force into those idiots who’ve been brought up on federal charges for what they did on Jan. 6. Trump’s due for a reality check too.

 

[sojourner]

He will renovate and renew His people and the cosmos, as is necessary after 6000 years of abuse and debauchery. He doesn't need to create any more matter, He has plenty to work with,.

Isn’t that part of the ongoing creative process?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Really? Are you sure of that? This gets into some pretty deep philosophy of mathematics.



That's what it means to be new knowledge: it's the first time someone has 'stumbled on it or discovered it'. If nobody else discovered it, it is new.

Our philosophical difference is, you believe something doesn't exist until you or someone else discovers it. I believe everything already exists, whether we discover it or not.
We can say our computers existed before they were discovered and assembled. We can only discover and assemble matter according to the laws, rules and perimeters God preset. We don't call any shots or make any rules, we are utterly passive sightseers in this thing. We can't impose our will or our wisdom on any of Gods laws, we must dance to His tune like puppets on strings.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Reality is about to slam full force into those idiots who’ve been brought up on federal charges for what they did on Jan. 6. Trump’s due for a reality check too.

We've already had two dead in the water witch hunts, and don't worry about the patriots who exercised their right to protest. They will get off with a slap on the wrist, nobody wants to open Pandora's box and start a new civil war.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Difference between you and I is that I’m not “stuck.” God has searched me out and known me. I am who I am and I’m comfortable with that. But the tenor of your posts displays anger, contempt, self-righteousness, and ugliness — and a propensity to disingenuousness. All products of frustration.

I object to being judged so harshly and unfairly, I don't identify with any of those personality disorders you described

 

[lukethethird]

Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Truth: whether God exists or He don't is not relevant to anything that matters.

People read about God in The Bible and want to believe He exists so that they can play a role in the big story. That's what belief and church is all about, playing a role in the big story.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You mean like those on Jan 6 that were trying to overthrow an election?

Yes, we have to take the conspiracy groups a LOT more seriously.

And we believe we have to take the fraud deniers a LOT more seriously as their ignorance of the facts could lead to war.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Truth: whether God exists or He don't is not relevant to anything that matters.

People read about God in The Bible and want to believe He exists so that they can play a role in the big story. That's what belief and church is all about, playing a role in the big story.

We want to fight the good war, our role is to fight against the enemy with every weapon we have. This is a mortal battle

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Isn’t that part of the ongoing creative process?

No, He's not creating any extras, He's just rearranging the furniture not to be confused with rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

 

[Subduction Zone]

God said all humans are wicked, end of story. God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same one God so it doesn't matter if Jesus or the Father said it it's all said by the One True God.

Billions make God so angry that He is going to cast them into the everlasting lake of fire to be tormented forever so yeah they never made God angry according to you. He just casts them into the lake of fire for fun right????

I'd rather not comment on your faith in nutty professors as I couldn't without sounding disrespectful to say the least.

No, at best the Bible says that. And in fact it is your interpretation of the Bible that says that You have no real clue as to what "God said". By the way, it is still breaking the Second Commandment if you make a false idol of the Bible.

 

[lukethethird]

We want to fight the good war, our role is to fight against the enemy with every weapon we have. This is a mortal battle

Like I said, playing a role in the big story.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But we don't know how the ancients managed to calculate and construct such massive structures, using materials which had to be transported vast distances.
I've read many articles where many different theories were offered but none were plausible, so we still don't have any definite answers

Why do you think that none were plausible? Since when did you become an expert in engineering and Egyptology?

 

[Polymath257]

Our philosophical difference is, you believe something doesn't exist until you or someone else discovers it. I believe everything already exists, whether we discover it or not.

Sorry, I am not a Platonist. I disagree with this position.

We can say our computers existed before they were discovered and assembled.

No. The laws governing those computers existed, but not the computers.

We can only discover and assemble matter according to the laws, rules and perimeters God preset. We don't call any shots or make any rules, we are utterly passive sightseers in this thing. We can't impose our will or our wisdom on any of Gods laws, we must dance to His tune like puppets on strings.

Again, I disagree. We impose our wills by following the rules.

 

[sojourner]

We've already had two dead in the water witch hunts, and don't worry about the patriots who exercised their right to protest. They will get off with a slap on the wrist, nobody wants to open Pandora's box and start a new civil war.

You’re delusional.

 

[sojourner]

I object to being judged so harshly and unfairly, I don't identify with any of those personality disorders you described

Of course.

 

[Polymath257]

And we believe we have to take the fraud deniers a LOT more seriously as their ignorance of the facts could lead to war.

It seems to me that we already know that the far right has a tendency to violence (OK City anyone?). Their denial of reality and lack of understanding of the Constitution make them dangerous.

 

[sojourner]

No, He's not creating any extras, He's just rearranging the furniture not to be confused with rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

Furniture arrangement is a creative process.