Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[sojourner]

The fact is, everything you and I know was told to us by someone else. Nobody has ever learned anything for themselves, only a blatant liar will claim they learned something on their own without someone programming them.

Now that we have established that fact, lets move on to the most important aspect of our indoctrination, that being the motive of the one doing the indoctrinating or programming or feeding or however you like to put it but it all comes down to you being spoon feed information, since it's not possible to discover anything new for yourself.

So every single person is at the mercy of their teacher, if you get a wicked teacher who wants to destroy you he will fill you full of lies and deception. So your spiritual/mental health is utterly dependant on your Charlatan Priest or Witch Doctor or University Professor who ever else you put your trust in. I put my trust in the truth and His Name is the Lord Jesus Christ

And, according to you, you cannot come by this truth without someone “programming” you. Who’s stuck in circular reasoning now?

 

[Polymath257]

I did study archaeology for just over a year, but I left because critical thinking and analysis was banned. We were taught to remain within the circular reasoning boundaries, and I foolishly dared to challenge the Zeitgeist. That instantly earned me the title of "Persona non grate" and there's no coming back from there.

A whole year? Wow! That really qualifies you to critique the pros. You clearly knew so much more than they did.

And didn't you say that you studied geology for about a year and left college after that? So which is it? Archeology or geology? And one year or two?

From what I can see, you are someone who likes to think they 'have the truth' and is unwilling to listen to any opposing views. That isn't 'challenging the Zeitgeist'. It is simply having a bias that you are unwilling to defend or give up.

And yes, that attitude would make you unqualified for scientific studies. It's good you got out when you did.

 

[sojourner]

The fact is, everything you and I know was told to us by someone else. Nobody has ever learned anything for themselves, only a blatant liar will claim they learned something on their own without someone programming them.

Now that we have established that fact, lets move on to the most important aspect of our indoctrination, that being the motive of the one doing the indoctrinating or programming or feeding or however you like to put it but it all comes down to you being spoon feed information, since it's not possible to discover anything new for yourself.

So every single person is at the mercy of their teacher, if you get a wicked teacher who wants to destroy you he will fill you full of lies and deception. So your spiritual/mental health is utterly dependant on your Charlatan Priest or Witch Doctor or University Professor who ever else you put your trust in. I put my trust in the truth and His Name is the Lord Jesus Christ

Be honest: how did you come to this knowledge of Jesus? How do you know it’s the truth? If it fell out of the sky into your head, then your facts above are wrong. If it came to you through other teachers, clergy, etc., then your version of “the truth” is no less flawed than anyone else’s. Again: Jesus doesn’t need fanboys.

 

[Polymath257]

The fact is, everything you and I know was told to us by someone else. Nobody has ever learned anything for themselves, only a blatant liar will claim they learned something on their own without someone programming them.

Speak for yourself. I have been a research mathematician for the last 35 years. Every research paper I wrote had things that I was the *first* person to discover. I was the one telling others about things I had learned by doing my own thinking.

Also, the people I told could check my reasoning and see if my conclusions followed logically from my assumptions. They didn't need someone *else* to tell them the reasoning was correct.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Will you please stop with the preaching and the making of excuses with your a priori pre-emptive accusations and just share this evidence?


For crying out loud............................................................................

I will present it to you but you won't see it if you don't know the truth about it. I was dead and now I'm alive, that's my first evidence point, secondly I was very wicked so I committed heinous atrocities which I'm not going to mention here but sufficed to say it doesn't get any worse. But now I'm not that person anymore, Jesus removed the desire to do wicked things and replaced it with a desire to do good things.

So what I'm saying is I was dead to the ability to do good, I was completely consumed with doing evil continually. I hated God and I didn't want anything to do with Him, but He chose to give me a new Spirit and a new life. Everyone I knew was much better and less wicked than myself yet I'm saved and most of them are still on the road to hell.

How would you go about proving this to others if it happened to you?, please tell me and we'll both know

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I will present it to you but you won't see it if you don't know the truth about it. I was dead and now I'm alive, that's my first evidence point, secondly I was very wicked so I committed heinous atrocities which I'm not going to mention here but sufficed to say it doesn't get any worse. But now I'm not that person anymore, Jesus removed the desire to do wicked things and replaced it with a desire to do good things.

So what I'm saying is I was dead to the ability to do good, I was completely consumed with doing evil continually. I hated God and I didn't want anything to do with Him, but He chose to give me a new Spirit and a new life. Everyone I knew was much better and less wicked than myself yet I'm saved and most of them are still on the road to hell.

How would you go about proving this to others if it happened to you?, please tell me and we'll both know

I'm asking you for the evidence of supposed election fraud.

What does any of your religious stuff have to do with that?
You either have evidence of election fraud or you do not.

Which is it?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

“Unbelievers” aren’t necessarily “evil and wicked.” The unbelieving Samaritan was “good.” Your interpretation is atrocious.


God didn’t say that, Jesus is quoted as saying that — and Jesus didn’t say that; it’s an interpolation.

1) We can’t “make” God be anything. Least of all an enemy.


Hmm... I know three archaeology professors. None of them employ circular reasoning.


Not all believers idolize the texts in such a fashion. The Bible doesn’t need fandom, it requires critics.

God said all humans are wicked, end of story. God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same one God so it doesn't matter if Jesus or the Father said it it's all said by the One True God.

Billions make God so angry that He is going to cast them into the everlasting lake of fire to be tormented forever so yeah they never made God angry according to you. He just casts them into the lake of fire for fun right????

I'd rather not comment on your faith in nutty professors as I couldn't without sounding disrespectful to say the least.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus made it clear as crystal that he is coming back to take back the world and universe from the powers of darkness.
He promised that it would be a battle where 3/4 of the worlds population will be killed, that's around 5 billion men women and children dying a horrific death, then been resurrected to face the final judgement.
My choice is to believe what, Jesus clearly promised or your private interpretation, which is in my opinion twisted beyond belief

WHERE did Jesus promise any of that? Please provide the verses.

I have no private interpretation, I just have the plain text. How else can it be interpreted?

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

no more
phrase of more

1. 
   nothing further.
   "there was no more to be said about it"
2. 
   no further.
   "you must have some soup, but no more wine"
3. 
   exist no longer.
   "the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"
4. 
   never again.
   "mention his name no more to me"
5. 
   neither.
   "I had no complaints and no more did Tom"

Translate no more to
Definitions from Oxford Languages

 

[sojourner]

I will present it to you but you won't see it if you don't know the truth about it. I was dead and now I'm alive, that's my first evidence point, secondly I was very wicked so I committed heinous atrocities which I'm not going to mention here but sufficed to say it doesn't get any worse. But now I'm not that person anymore, Jesus removed the desire to do wicked things and replaced it with a desire to do good things.

So what I'm saying is I was dead to the ability to do good, I was completely consumed with doing evil continually. I hated God and I didn't want anything to do with Him, but He chose to give me a new Spirit and a new life. Everyone I knew was much better and less wicked than myself yet I'm saved and most of them are still on the road to hell.

How would you go about proving this to others if it happened to you?, please tell me and we'll both know

You haven’t proved that it’s happened to you. What you have proven is that you hold your fellows in contempt. That appears as though your heart is still hurt.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And, according to you, you cannot come by this truth without someone “programming” you. Who’s stuck in circular reasoning now?

Your stuck there if your a part of the human race, so you just shot yourself in the foot OUCH!!!!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The fact is, everything you and I know was told to us by someone else. Nobody has ever learned anything for themselves, only a blatant liar will claim they learned something on their own without someone programming them.

Now that we have established that fact, lets move on to the most important aspect of our indoctrination, that being the motive of the one doing the indoctrinating or programming or feeding or however you like to put it but it all comes down to you being spoon feed information, since it's not possible to discover anything new for yourself.

So every single person is at the mercy of their teacher, if you get a wicked teacher who wants to destroy you he will fill you full of lies and deception. So your spiritual/mental health is utterly dependant on your Charlatan Priest or Witch Doctor or University Professor who ever else you put your trust in. I put my trust in the truth and His Name is the Lord Jesus Christ

You should sue the school you went to. Sounds like you had terrible teachers.

My teachers didn't expect me to just swallow whatever they or the textbook said.
They cared about the reasoning and actual understanding.

You could get the answer wrong and still get points for the reasoning that lead you to that wrong answer.
You could also get the answer right and receive a zero because you didn't include the reasoning or because the reasoning was fallacious and it just happened to lead to right answer by coincidence. Or, more likely, you copied the right answer from your neighbour and didn't actually understand it.

In science classes, all my teachers cared a lot more about understanding the material rather then learning it by heart.

If you understand the material, btw, you don't need to learn it by heart. Because then you can derive the right answers from your understanding.


The most ironic here though......is how your posts are such extreme cases of projection.

 

[sojourner]

God said all humans are wicked, end of story

God also created us and proclaimed us good. So it’s not the end of the story.

God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same one God so it doesn't matter if Jesus or the Father said it it's all said by the One True God

But they are different Persons. Yes, it matters who said what. It’s still a later interpolation.

Billions make God so angry that He is going to cast them into the everlasting lake of fire to be tormented forever so yeah they never made God angry according to you. He just casts them into the lake of fire for fun right????

And yet... God does not punish as we deserve. God so loved the world.

I'd rather not comment on your faith in nutty professors as I couldn't without sounding disrespectful to say the least.

But you DO sound at least disrespectful.


About everything anyone has said here. I think my assessment above is correct.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'd rather not comment on your faith in nutty professors as I couldn't without sounding disrespectful to say the least.

Don't worry. You already sound very disrespectful in every post you make in this thread, eventhough you don't even realize it yourself (which is why I don't take offense). You are far to far gone into this conspiratory nonsense to realize just how disrespectful you are being.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I'm asking you for the evidence of supposed election fraud.

What does any of your religious stuff have to do with that?
You either have evidence of election fraud or you do not.

Which is it?

Sorry I got you mixed up with another religious expert. As for the fraud and the evidence, it has been kidnapped, raped and snuffed out. But it does exist, it's just that it was in the wrong place at the wrong time

 

[sojourner]

Your stuck there if your a part of the human race, so you just shot yourself in the foot OUCH!!!!

Difference between you and I is that I’m not “stuck.” God has searched me out and known me. I am who I am and I’m comfortable with that. But the tenor of your posts displays anger, contempt, self-righteousness, and ugliness — and a propensity to disingenuousness. All products of frustration.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Speak for yourself. I have been a research mathematician for the last 35 years. Every research paper I wrote had things that I was the *first* person to discover. I was the one telling others about things I had learned by doing my own thinking.

Also, the people I told could check my reasoning and see if my conclusions followed logically from my assumptions. They didn't need someone *else* to tell them the reasoning was correct.

You would know nothing if you weren't taught by your teaches so I can speak for you. you leaned something that was new to you but it already existed awaiting your discovery.
God said "there's nothing new under the heavens, all things continue as they have from the beginning" This means nothing new will ever be discovered, God already created everything that exists and nothing new will be created.

There's no new knowledge in the universe, it's only new to those who stumble upon it or discover it while looking for something new.

 

[sojourner]

Sorry I got you mixed up with another religious expert. As for the fraud and the evidence, it has been kidnapped, raped and snuffed out. But it does exist, it's just that it was in the wrong place at the wrong time

Someone forgot his Tin Foil Hat, methinks.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You haven’t proved that it’s happened to you. What you have proven is that you hold your fellows in contempt. That appears as though your heart is still hurt.

You are mistaken, I hold my fellows in prayer. I have nothing to boast about, but I have an eternity of praise and tanks for the Lord

 

[sojourner]

God already created everything that exists and nothing new will be created

I disagree. God is Creator — not “was” Creator. Creation is a living process, not a museum exhibit.

 

[sojourner]

You are mistaken, I hold my fellows in prayer. I have nothing to boast about, but I have an eternity of praise and tanks for the Lord

According to you, most of us are “on the road to hell.” Sounds fairly contemptuous to me.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Someone forgot his Tin Foil Hat, methinks.

It makes me so sad to see so many asleep and just waiting for reality to slam into them like a semi trailer at 100 MPH. Have you hear about those wise guys who planned to have a good time, but they were oblivious to the pending disaster, which was about to destroy their country