Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Not just my concept, but the concept of countless people that understand evidence. You have none. You would have posted it a long time ago if you did. And you have even stated that you do not wish to learn.

I did post irrefutable evidence but you refused to look it, and you attacked the professor presenting the evidence. This is typical of those who can't deal with the facts so they attack the postman instead. Quite sad really

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did post irrefutable evidence but you refused to look it, and you attacked the professor presenting the evidence. This is typical of those who can't deal with the facts so they attack the postman instead. Quite sad really

No, you didn't. You do not even seem to understand the concept. If you are talking about the video you posted that was made by Liars for Jesus I did watch it until they lied several times. I could not stand any more.

Why would you trust known liars?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Incorrect. Just because you do not understand the concept of evidence does not mean that others lack this understanding. The sciences are evidence based. And guess what, they work amazingly well. You could not communicate here without science.

I do understand the concept of pseudo science, it's based on deception and I don't lend my mind to deceivers to rape it with lies and false theories.
You have a radically different idea of what constitutes evidence than I do, your happy with the circular reasoning model but I need solid proof so we part ways right there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do understand the concept of pseudo science, it's based on deception and I don't lend my mind to deceivers to rape it with lies and false theories.
You have a radically different idea of what constitutes evidence than I do, your happy with the circular reasoning model but I need solid proof so we part ways right there.

Please, you really don't have a clue. Worse yet you are afraid to learn.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

LOL!!! Please, please stop. What ancient technology was better than today's? And what is locked away and how do you know this?

The technology to place 1200 ton blacks of stone on top of each other with paper thin gaps between each other. I could tell you what is being hidden but that would make you a target as well so I must withhold that info for your won safety sake

 

[Subduction Zone]

The technology to place 1200 ton blacks of stone on top of each other with paper thin gaps between each other. I could tell you what is being hidden but that would make you a target as well so I must withhold that info for your won safety sake

That technology is not lost nor is it all that difficult. The "paper thin gaps" claim is almost always an exaggeration.

And no, you do not know what is hidden. You can only pretend to.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

No, you didn't. You do not even seem to understand the concept. If you are talking about the video you posted that was made by Liars for Jesus I did watch it until they lied several times. I could not stand any more.

Why would you trust known liars?

But you never provided any contradictory argument as would be expected in a court of law. You can't just accuse someone of lying without presenting any evidence of foul play

 

[Subduction Zone]

But you never provided any contradictory argument as would be expected in a court of law. You can't just accuse someone of lying without presenting any evidence of foul play

I did, but you ignored them. And in a court of law incredibly bad "evidence" as you posted is just thrown out. No rebuttal needed.

But just for fun let's go over it again. Get your source and I will explain to you why they are liars.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

That technology is not lost nor is it all that difficult. The "paper thin gaps" claim is almost always an exaggeration.

And no, you do not know what is hidden. You can only pretend to.

The technology is not even understood, so it was never understood. You can't lose something you never had or understood. The Smithsonian is hiding all the incriminating evidence, so the stooge scientists just put everything in the unknown basket. They just create theories to fill in the gaps and the poor people just swallow what's being offered without ever asking how or why or examining the so called counter evidence

 

[Subduction Zone]

The technology is not even understood, so it was never understood. You can't lose something you never had or understood. The Smithsonian is hiding all the incriminating evidence, so the stooge scientists just put everything in the unknown basket. They just create theories to fill in the gaps and the poor people just swallow what's being offered without ever asking how or why or examining the so called counter evidence

The technology did not even exist. For one ranting about pseudoscience all of the time you sure seem to believe in a lot of it.

 

[Trailblazer]

The technology did not even exist. For one ranting about pseudoscience all of the time you sure seem to believe in a lot of it.

I had a minute so I had to come and see if atheists were still bantering with Christians on this thread.
Lord Jesus! I guess you and Polymath257 are the last atheists standing..... 2350 posts and still going.
And I see you have found a Christian ally.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I said Christians are the most dangerous people to have coming after you in a war as we have no fear of death. We see many examples were a small group of soldiers takes over territory from bigger enemy forces because of their bravery.

I do not fear Christians or anyone else for that matter

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You don't make any sense at all,you claim to be looking for something which you have no clue about.

I'm not looking for anything. I see no reason to suspect there is something to look for.

YOU are the one claiming to have something.
Until you reveal what you have, I can't know what it is that you claim to have.

I'm not a mind reader........................................................

So how will you know it if you do happen to come across it.

I'll evaluate what you have and how it fits your claims and see in what way it can be verified.
Like one always does with any claim and evidence one is presented with, about anything.

The way I see your position is, you will believe any snake oil salesman as long as he's good enough to deceive you. The only way you could avoid being deceived by these masters would be to become the smartest person in the world and I wish you lots of luck with that one.

And I see drivel and pathetic pre-emptive accusations such as this as your way of communicating that you either:
- don't have any evidence and don't wish to acknowledge that
or
- you have evidence and you know it's exceptionally bad evidence so you go down this route to avoid embarassement.


Every time you avoid actually sharing this "irrefutable proof" you claim to have by stating such pitiful excuses, my suspicion about that only grows.

And yes, by now, after all these months, I completely am assuming that you "stop the steal" folks are either indeed purposefully lying, or you have been conned into believing it by The Great Orange Cry Baby.

Nevertheless, crazy as I am... I have an open mind and actively try to avoid dogmatic thinking, no matter how crazy some things sound. I'm always prepared to give an honest look at evidence given in support of claims - no matter how crazy they seem.


But it seems like I won't be getting any from you. Let's face it, you would have posted it from the start if you idd had such evidence. I wouldn't even have had to ask for it. It would have been posted right next to the claim by default the first time you brought it up.

So I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Polymath257]

The technology to place 1200 ton blacks of stone on top of each other with paper thin gaps between each other. I could tell you what is being hidden but that would make you a target as well so I must withhold that info for your won safety sake

The technology wasn't that great. And we *know* how they did it: it was even described in the pyramids themselves.

I have no fear of 'being a target'. Your conspiracies are all hokum from what I can see.

 

[sojourner]

OK, I get it. Billions of the worlds population are dumb morons and your a real wise guy smarty. I hope that floats your boat, I wish you well and I do feel for you

Doesn’t have anything to do with me; billions of the world’s population aren’t biblical scholars, and don’t speak the languages in which the Bible is written. Nor do they live in the ancient cultures of the Bible. That’s why people like me study biblical scholarship in our educational process. “What billions of people believe about the Bible” does not indicate that those beliefs are, in any way, legit.

 

[sojourner]

I answered you question, the original books were recycled, you know how climate change was the biggest issue 2000 years ago. They suffered under temperatures of up to 90 degrees

There were no “original books.” You’re just digging yourself deeper into the “I don’t know what I’m talking about” hole.

 

[sojourner]

But your demand was insane, it had nothing to do with reality. I don't have a time machine to take you on a magical mystery tour back into first century Jerusalem to find the original scribes and demand they show us where they stashed the scrolls.
can you see how ridiculous your demand is and how utterly insane and out of touch it is

What’s “insane” about pointing out your inconsistency? Of course we don’t have a time machine. No one can state that what the Gospelers produced was factual. No one can say with any certainty what was “original.” Therefore, no evidence/no fact. Facts are evidence-based. You cannot reasonably say that you only deal in facts, when you are basing arguments on non-factual source material. It’s one thing to say, “The Bible says thus-and-so,” and quite another to assert that “thus-and-so” is factual. It is not. As I said: Evidence and belief are different matters.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I did, but you ignored them. And in a court of law incredibly bad "evidence" as you posted is just thrown out. No rebuttal needed.

But just for fun let's go over it again. Get your source and I will explain to you why they are liars.

There's no point in referring you to any sources of truth, it's obvious you've already put up barrier also known as a fortress of ignorance.
Nothing personal here, just pointing out the fact that most people build a solid fortress of ignorance around them so the truth can never penetrate them and they live in bliss.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The technology did not even exist. For one ranting about pseudoscience all of the time you sure seem to believe in a lot of it.

We have the physical evidence showing the ancient scientists and mathematicians to be vastly superior to those of modern era.
I do understand your concerns with these findings and I'm sure they're deeply disturbing and sobering but we can't just wish them away

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I do not fear Christians or anyone else for that matter

This is where we differ, Christians do fear God so we can't say "anyone else for that matter"

God has commanded His people to kill entire ethnic groups in the past, the men had to go into the land and kill every man woman and child and posses the land. The men didn't want to kill strangers in cold blood but their fear of God was greater than their desire to live in peace with their neighbours.

The world has been at war since the beginning and it will build up to the final battle where Jesus comes back with His army of Angels and kills all of His enemies and takes over as the the ruler of the world.

The only thing which divides the world and makes enemies of people, is what we we believe. The problem starts when one group forces other to believe the same thing they do and when the other group refuses we have war. So what we believe determines the type of rulers we lift up to rule us, like North Korea believes in communism so they install Kim Jon Un as their supreme leader.

I hear people talk about world peace but mankind has never been able to live in peace while we have radically different ideas of how we should live and who should govern us. .