Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[sojourner]

What is sometimes called a "hit and run" poster. He is good for some light entertainment, but he is so wrong that there is no real pleasure in debating with him. It is a bit like arguing with a five year old.

Almost provocative enough to be a troll, I thought.

 

[Polymath257]

I know God created and gave us science, He is the only scientist. The rest are just passive observers, the homosexual guy just made some observations and noted them down. Then other men made other observations and noted them down, then they shared them and came up with an idea to build an electronic calculator, Big deal

So any advance that doesn't fit into your ideas is automatically labeled 'not a big deal'?

Turing did MUCH more than simply make one of the first computers. he set up the very foundation for modern computing, including the techniques to understand its limitations. And that doesn't mention is contributions to mathematics (primarily in logic). His proof that the axioms for a real-closed field are complete is still one of the fundamental papers in the area.

 

[Polymath257]

What is sometimes called a "hit and run" poster. He is good for some light entertainment, but he is so wrong that there is no real pleasure in debating with him. It is a bit like arguing with a five year old.

I prefer to point out the analogy with pigeon chess: walk around, upsetting the pieces, crap on the board, and then claim victory.

[GALLERY=media, 9408]20190702_155019 by Polymath257 posted Feb 15, 2021 at 8:02 PM[/GALLERY]

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Paul just had a vision. In other words a hallucination. Would you trust a hallucination?

And Acts was likely to have been written by a companion of Paul's so the similarity would not be surprising.

again, more baseless rhetoric, do you have anything else apart from your wild imagination to validate your accusation

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Please give examples of "fabricated evidence" and "independent evidence".

I am very certain that you do not understand the concept of evidence. And as usual these were probably just empty claims that you have made that you can never support.

You can be certain, I don't accept your concept of what constitutes evidence and the method used to examine it. We have much higher standards for examining claims and hypothesis and theories. We don't invent a theory then examine everything within the perimeters of that unproven theory. We examine everything independently, based on the merits of the subject.
We don't invent models to fill in the gaps, but not only do you guys invent fantasy. You push it on intelligent people as being facts and you won't allow any debate or evidence to counter and expose the fantasy

 

[Subduction Zone]

again, more baseless rhetoric, do you have anything else apart from your wild imagination to validate your accusation

Unlike you I have read what he wrote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can be certain, I don't accept your concept of what constitutes evidence and the method used to examine it. We have much higher standards for examining claims and hypothesis and theories. We don't invent a theory then examine everything within the perimeters of that unproven theory. We examine everything independently, based on the merits of the subject.
We don't invent models to fill in the gaps, but not only do you guys invent fantasy. You push it on intelligent people as being facts and you won't allow any debate or evidence to counter and expose the fantasy

Not just my concept, but the concept of countless people that understand evidence. You have none. You would have posted it a long time ago if you did. And you have even stated that you do not wish to learn.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Well, that is what Paul *claimed*. is there any other supporting evidence for his claim?




Such as?



And evidence is not a weapon against the truth: only a weapon against falsehoods. You, as well, don't get to ignore evidence (although that is what you wish to do with evidence that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old).

There's no evidence for anything in the world or anything in human history. All we have is 7 billion opposing ideas,all claiming to be the only truth in the world. So it's a free for all mass confusion, welcome to the jungle deal.

There's no such thing as proof or facts or evidence, these are imaginary concepts which have no basis in reality, I hope this helps

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Popularity is no indicator of fact. Is “appeal to the masses” really the best you’ve got? Pathetic.

OK, I get it. Billions of the worlds population are dumb morons and your a real wise guy smarty. I hope that floats your boat, I wish you well and I do feel for you

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You didn’t address my question. Maybe because you can’t.

I answered you question, the original books were recycled, you know how climate change was the biggest issue 2000 years ago. They suffered under temperatures of up to 90 degrees

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You neglected to address the elephant in the room: you say that you only deal in fact, and yet you use the nonfactual Gospels as source material. You didn’t even attempt to show that the Gospel material is factual. You simply went off on a tangent about my faith and beliefs, which have nothing to do with the matter at hand. Is your apologetic strategy to just throw crap at the wall to see what sticks?

But your demand was insane, it had nothing to do with reality. I don't have a time machine to take you on a magical mystery tour back into first century Jerusalem to find the original scribes and demand they show us where they stashed the scrolls.
can you see how ridiculous your demand is and how utterly insane and out of touch it is

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Sorry, you only have mere belief. Knowledge is demonstrable and all that you have yet to demonstrate any. Also you appear to know very little about anything outside of the Bible and even your knowledge of the Bible seems to be rather limited.

Would you care to try to debate properly?

I win, just go look in the mirror and come back and explain which scientists created what you saw in the mirror or if you don't believe in scientists which Alien created you. when you find a way to move of that first elementary baby question, you may be ready to move on and debate the why questions, until then go back to elementary school and learn the basics.
Nothing is more ridiculous than trying to defend a fundamentally flawed conspiracy theory known as the scientific method.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The 'Christian scientists' are just hucksters trying to get your money by playing to your biases. They know there is a HUGE population of people willing to swallow what they say and not check it in any way. That is the only way they can survive.

You have perfectly articulated what Christians know about secular pseudo science. See nothing in secular science has ever been proven but everything in christian science has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Do you think that might be because books had to be transcribed by hand for most of that period and it was the monks that did the writing? Not that it was exactly 'sold', mind you.

Do you know what the *second* best 'selling' book over the last 2000 years is? I'd bet you don't.

Not true, it has nothing to to with the printing press. Everyone has a printer today and it's still the best selling book of all time year in and year out.

I'm not interested in second prizes, I just stick with the winner

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Only reading one book (or even *about* one book)will guarantee you know very little.

Your problem with the book is, you don't know what it contains. Many of the world greatest minds and scholars spend their whole lives studying the Bible and they die with so much more to learn. One life time is no where near enough time to learn what the Bible has to say

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Actually, we know the level of mathematics used by the ancient Egyptians. And it was NOT advanced in any sense. They were able to do some basic algebra (although no symbolic representations) and some basic geometry formulas, but not much else. What they *were* able to do was accurate (well, except for calculations involving pi). We know this from the Moscow and Rhind papyruses, which had fairly extensive mathematical aspects to them.



I don't even know how to respond to that. From what I can see, that is simply ridiculous. There *are* no 'grey aliens' or demons. UFOs are exactly that: unidentified. Until they *are* identified.

It's funny how modern science can't explain how the ancient people had vastly superior technology and mathematical skills than the best of today.

I don't expect you to believe all the evidence because most of it is hidden in the Smithsonian vaults, away from intelligent people. The last then g they want is for their pseudo science to be exposed by hard evidence

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's no evidence for anything in the world or anything in human history. All we have is 7 billion opposing ideas,all claiming to be the only truth in the world. So it's a free for all mass confusion, welcome to the jungle deal.

There's no such thing as proof or facts or evidence, these are imaginary concepts which have no basis in reality, I hope this helps

Incorrect. Just because you do not understand the concept of evidence does not mean that others lack this understanding. The sciences are evidence based. And guess what, they work amazingly well. You could not communicate here without science.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I win, just go look in the mirror and come back and explain which scientists created what you saw in the mirror or if you don't believe in scientists which Alien created you. when you find a way to move of that first elementary baby question, you may be ready to move on and debate the why questions, until then go back to elementary school and learn the basics.
Nothing is more ridiculous than trying to defend a fundamentally flawed conspiracy theory known as the scientific method.

No one created what I see in the mirror, and there is no evidence that a god created it either. If you want to claim that a god is necessary the burden of proof is upon you. I can explain, with reliable evidence, how man is the product of evolution. Like it or not the evidence clearly supports the claim that you are an ape. All you have is a book of myths. And you quite often make mistakes as to what is in the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's funny how modern science can't explain how the ancient people had vastly superior technology and mathematical skills than the best of today.

I don't expect you to believe all the evidence because most of it is hidden in the Smithsonian vaults, away from intelligent people. The last then g they want is for their pseudo science to be exposed by hard evidence

LOL!!! Please, please stop. What ancient technology was better than today's? And what is locked away and how do you know this?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So any advance that doesn't fit into your ideas is automatically labeled 'not a big deal'?

Turing did MUCH more than simply make one of the first computers. he set up the very foundation for modern computing, including the techniques to understand its limitations. And that doesn't mention is contributions to mathematics (primarily in logic). His proof that the axioms for a real-closed field are complete is still one of the fundamental papers in the area.

I'm just not impressed by any scientists or mathematician at all, mankind is still in the dark ages. We don't even have a cure for the common clod, or most other diseases. We don't even know who we are, where we came from, why we are here and where we are going.

I mean we haven't even got off the first base yet and you guys are barging about making insignificant minuscule discoveries. No scientist has ever invented anything, all men can do is discover what already exists. We don't write the laws or set the boundaries of the physical realm, all we can do is keep trying different formulas until we stumble upon something that has the desired effect.

The scientific method relies on the most pathetic of all methods, known as the process of elimination whereby we have millions of people locked away in labs mixing different elements together and recording the effects. They don't have an actual game plan or idea of what to expect, it's all trial and error. so that type of system is pathetic in my view

 

[Subduction Zone]

. They don't have an actual game plan or idea of what to expect, it's all trial and error. so that type of system is pathetic in my view

It only appears that way to the ignorant.