Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Subduction Zone]

Haven’t seen where he called God a liar only where you said that he called God a liar. Also, calling someone names is breaking the forum rules

Yes, you are right, I will change that to a longer version of the same word. He is a fundamentalist, that is not name calling. But yes, he calls God a liar and you probably do to. He is clearly a young Earth creationist. One cannot be a YEC without calling God a liar.

Tell me, did the Flood of Noah which covered the Earth actually happen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You and others have redefined faith. In Biblical Christanity no such distinction is made.

A pocket dictionary that I have had over 30 years, faith is belief.

That be aa it is, what do you personally deem as sufficient evidence?

It is believe, but what sort of belief is it? Pocket dictionaries often have incomplete definitions. They have to be simplified to fit into your pocket. Have you ever considered that there may not have been a change but that you are using a rather poor source?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, you are right, I will change that to a longer version of the same word. He is a fundamentalist, that is not name calling. But yes, he calls God a liar and you probably do to. He is clearly a young Earth creationist. One cannot be a YEC without calling God a liar.

Tell me, did the Flood of Noah which covered the Earth actually happen?

How old is God? How long was the Earth without form and void?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A Universe without God wouldn’t exist

This is the sort of claim hat puts an impossible burden of proof upon you. It is a nothing claim as a result. It is only your unjustified belief (unless you can surprise everyone here and support that claim).

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, you are right, I will change that to a longer version of the same word. He is a fundamentalist, that is not name calling. But yes, he calls God a liar and you probably do to. He is clearly a young Earth creationist. One cannot be a YEC without calling God a liar.

Tell me, did the Flood of Noah which covered the Earth actually happen?

Not following you on that comment

 

[Inquire of God]

That shows that I exist. How does that show a God exists?



I have seen nothing that suggests a God.


No, I see my loved ones there. I have yet to see a God.



I'm not in the habit of asking what I believe to be fictional beings anything. I don't ask Santa for presents on Christmas either.

Evidence FIRST, then belief.

I may have a different way of looking at things than you have.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is the sort of claim hat puts an impossible burden of proof upon you. It is a nothing claim as a result. It is only your unjustified belief (unless you can surprise everyone here and support that claim).

You’ll have to read the whole conversation if you want to jump in on that

 

[Inquire of God]

Beautiful!
“And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭

You have my complete agreement.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How old is God? How long was the Earth without form and void?

I have no idea how God would be . I do not believe in a God. And your last sentence makes little sense. Tell me, how long were you not here?

Try to ask better questions if you want answers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not following you on that comment

I know. Which actually supports my claim. I asked you a question and that question was asked to determine whether you believe that God is a liar or not.

Do you believe in the global Flood of Noah?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have no idea how God would be . I do not believe in a God. And your last sentence makes little sense. Tell me, how long were you not here?

Try to ask better questions if you want answers.

Sorry, will try to simplify things, I thought you were familiar with Genesis 1:1-2

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, will try to simplify things, I thought you were familiar with Genesis 1:1

I am. Your question is still poorly formed. You are assuming that others believe in your myth. That leads to nonsensical questions when you make that error.

 

[Inquire of God]

Welcome in the forum, please.
Magenta ^.
Does one mean from God the person of G-d or Jesus son of Mary, please?
Joseph Smith , I get for one, was appointed messenger by Jesus son of Mary and not by G-d whom Jesus s/o Mary used to worship and pray and addressed as God-the-Father, please. Right friend, please?

Regards

God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, are one in a kind of unity that is difficult for even the most intelligent and spiritually minded to understand, I admit that I am not greatly intelligent in their oneness, but, I know that it is perfect.
If we ask God the Father to help us with something He can and will if we are sincere and the request is in line with His righteousness, that I know is true.
Once we receive an answer from God, either the Son or the Father or the Holy Spirit, THEN we KNOW God exists and we can build on that relationship.
No one can prove that God exists to another person.
Only God can do that.
Some people can see the logic of what God has done all around us, to others it may not be as apparent.

 

[Polymath257]

You and others have redefined faith. In Biblical Christanity no such distinction is made.

A pocket dictionary that I have had over 30 years, faith is belief.

That be aa it is, what do you personally deem as sufficient evidence?

The same type of evidence I would require of anything else, be it a black hole, the Loch Ness Monster, or the Higg's boson:

Something unique to what is claimed that cannot be explained easier in some other way. Something that distinguishes existence of the thing from non-existence of that thing.

You can't simply define something into existence.

The distinction is a valid one. There is a HUGE difference between confidence in those you can see and interact with and 'faith' in an invisible, undetectable being that supposedly made the universe.

 

[Polymath257]

Beautiful!
“And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭

Belief should come after evidence, not before.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am. Your question is still poorly formed. You are assuming that others believe in your myth. That leads to nonsensical questions when you make that error.

Keeping it simple so it’s not

Belief should come after evidence, not before.

That may be man’s way but it’s not Gods way.

 

[Polymath257]

I may have a different way of looking at things than you have.

Which means you have an opinion. Unless it is supported by facts that could convince a skeptic, they remain as opinions.

 

[Polymath257]

Keeping it simple so it’s not

That may be man’s way but it’s not Gods way.

That is the way of wisdom: to not believe before there is evidence. To do otherwise opens oneself to self-delusion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Keeping it simple so it’s not.

Keeping things simple often leads to errors as your post did. Why do you refuse to ask your questions properly? Why did you dodge my question that showed the error that you made?

Dodging such question indicates that the person saw the error but refuses to address it.

 

[Inquire of God]

Which means you have an opinion. Unless it is supported by facts that could convince a skeptic, they remain as opinions.

Of course. If what I say does not speak to you and you doubt it that is your reality. I respect that. I have done what I said in that last part of my statement and sought God's answer, I have received His answer. I know that He exists. I also know that this answer came to me and I cannot use it to prove anything to anyone who does not wish to believe what I say. And I think wise persons would do their own inquiry, it is a sure way to find out, if one wants to actually find out and obtain real proof. Proof from God is the ONLY real proof.