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Truth is not constant.

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Amanaki said:
Truth change according to what level of wisdom a person has achieved.
It means two people do not see the same truth, because no person hold the exact same wisdom level.
Relative truth and conditional truth are two different truths, but they are both true.
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Sounds like there is a problem with how you are approaching truth if it's not consistent. Truths without proofs are opinions and beliefs. Such as,the formulas of geometry are just as true today as they were a thousand years ago as they will still be a million years from now. We know this because we have proof of it, with this proof making it true.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Amanaki said:
Truth change according to what level of wisdom a person has achieved.
It means two people do not see the same truth, because no person hold the exact same wisdom level.
Relative truth and conditional truth are two different truths, but they are both true.
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No it doesn't.

Example ....

2 + 2 = 4

Now if you are a pre-school toddler, you don't know that BUT IT IS STILL TRUE
There aren't 'versions of the truth' - something is either True of False - whatever you understand it or believe it is irrelevant
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Amanaki said:
Truth change according to what level of wisdom a person has achieved.
It means two people do not see the same truth, because no person hold the exact same wisdom level.
Relative truth and conditional truth are two different truths, but they are both true.
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like Sodom and Gomorrah needed to die

and someone bargained
if 100 men are good.....spare the all the people?
yeah
if 10 men are good.....spare all the people?
yeah
if but one man is good.....spare the people?

and the one man was removed from the people
and the people were not spared

did I get that right?
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Sounds like there is a problem with how you are approaching truth if it's not consistent. Truths without proofs are opinions and beliefs. Such as,the formulas of geometry are just as true today as they were a thousand years ago as they will still be a million years from now. We know this because we have proof of it, with this proof making it true.
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Actually, geometry might be a good example. The angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. Or that is what was believed always to be true, until about 200 years ago, when non-Euclidean geometry started to be developed.

So the level of wisdom, one might say, changed, such that what had been true before became only one special case, now that the horizons of humanity had become broader.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
does a tree falling in the forest make a sound?
when no one is there to hear it

I suppose.....if the tree fell on the witness......
it would be a crushing truth
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
exchemist said:
Actually, geometry might be a good example. The angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. Or that is what was believed always to be true, until about 200 years ago, when non-Euclidean geometry started to be developed.

So the level of wisdom, one might say, changed, such that what had been true before became only one special case, now that the horizons of humanity had become broader.
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It means we didn't have the full picture, and thus not the truth. The value of pi, for example, definitively cannot be anything other than am approximation of 3.1416...., and formulas for circles there area is pi•r².
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
It means we didn't have the full picture, and thus not the truth. The value of pi, for example, definitively cannot be anything other than am approximation of 3.1416...., and formulas for circles there area is pi•r².
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But in that case, what truth can we say we have, ever?

For we can never know whether or not we have the full picture.
 
ppp

ppp

Well-Known Member
exchemist said:
But in that case, what truth can we say we have, ever?

For we can never know whether or not we have the full picture.
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That seems to be saying that if we don't know everything that we cannot know anything.
I don't have to know how a rock formed in order to know that it massed 1kg.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
exchemist said:
Yes it does. This is just physics. Sound is compressional waves in a fluid, not a human perception.
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I agree
I always thought the question was posed by philosophy teachers.....
to sort out the students who believe reality revolves around them
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
icehorse said:
I see the potential for a lot of semantic confusion here. Can you give an example of a "truth" that changes based on the degree of wisdom a person has?
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A spiritual teaching will change each time you read it when your wisdom start to grow. You will realize higher for of truth from the same teaching. Example is if a newbie read the text he/she will understand the truth in one way, but if a very cultivated master read the same teaching his/her understanding of the same teaching will hold much deeper understanding. Ergo they do see same teaching but their level of wisdom show the truth at different levels.

Not sure my explanation will give sense?
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
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Altfish said:
No it doesn't.

Example ....

2 + 2 = 4

Now if you are a pre-school toddler, you don't know that BUT IT IS STILL TRUE
There aren't 'versions of the truth' - something is either True of False - whatever you understand it or believe it is irrelevant
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Ou only think physical truth, you forgetting my OP has always a spiritual sense in it. Physical truth is not the truth I seek :)
 
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