Truth is not constant.

[BSM1]

Many folks confuse 'truth' for 'facts'. Truth is relative, facts aren't.

 

[ppp]

So my question was ego driven

Since truth is not constant, I guess that prove I do not hold the full truth, ergo not driven from an ego saying I know better then you.

Your ergo does not ergo.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Your ergo does not ergo.

Umm what do you mean? I did not understand

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No it doesn't.

Example ....

2 + 2 = 4

Now if you are a pre-school toddler, you don't know that BUT IT IS STILL TRUE
There aren't 'versions of the truth' - something is either True of False - whatever you understand it or believe it is irrelevant

No, that is not true in binary base.
It is relatively true based on there being beings with cognition which can do that. 2+2=4 is not true of the universe. Without humans it wouldn't be true.

 

[bobhikes]

Truth change according to what level of wisdom a person has achieved.
It means two people do not see the same truth, because no person hold the exact same wisdom level.
Relative truth and conditional truth are two different truths, but they are both true.

Truth's do change for people based on experience's but There is one constant truth that people can understand that never changes if they search for it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Truth's do change for people based on experience's but There is one constant truth that people can understand that never changes if they search for it.

May I ask what truth you thinking of?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Like I said. Echo chamber politics. No meaning. His (and your?) definition is ego driven; designed to declare anyone who does not buy his (and your?) opinion as truth to be at a lower level of "wisdom". It's the standard classist claptrap that we have seen from humans through the history of our species.

"...an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a closed system and insulates them from rebuttal."

Yeah, that can be true of any subculture, which claims the truth.
That is a standard in group psychology and doesn't only apply to religion.

 

[ppp]

It was asked in honesty. Reason being to me it often seems like everybody is wrong except for you, according to your posting. But I could be wrong.

In what sense do you mean "wrong"? Conclusion or methodology? I have no way to evaluate your conclusion. What I take issue with is your echo chamber methodology. It is designed to arrive at your preferred conclusion irrespective of reality. It also has the benefit of absolving you from accountability for your conclusion to anyone outside of that echo chamber.

So, which are you taking issue with. My evaluation of your conclusion or methodology?

 

[Revoltingest]

I see the potential for a lot of semantic confusion here. Can you give an example of a "truth" that changes based on the degree of wisdom a person has?

Truth which is true one time but not another seems to indicate lack of truth.

A wrinkle....
One can assume the parallel postulate for Euclidean geometry,
or one can assume otherwise. Both are "true" for the purposes
of their own constructs, & yet false in the other's constructs.
What does this mean relative to the OP?
Danged if I know.
But it's a fun idea.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In what sense do you mean "wrong"? Conclusion or methodology? I have no way to evaluate your conclusion. What I take issue with is your echo chamber methodology. It is designed to arrive at your preferred conclusion irrespective of reality. It also has the benefit of absolving you from accountability for your conclusion to anyone outside of that echo chamber.

So, which are you taking issue with. My evaluation of your conclusion or methodology?

Honestly, your stubbornness

 

[ppp]

Umm what do you mean? I did not understand

I am saying that this...

ergo not driven from an ego saying I know better then you.

...does not follow from this.

Since truth is not constant, I guess that prove I do not hold the full truth,

Your not holding the "full truth" does not preclude you from thinking you know better than I do.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In what sense do you mean "wrong"? Conclusion or methodology? I have no way to evaluate your conclusion. What I take issue with is your echo chamber methodology. It is designed to arrive at your preferred conclusion irrespective of reality. It also has the benefit of absolving you from accountability for your conclusion to anyone outside of that echo chamber.

So, which are you taking issue with. My evaluation of your conclusion or methodology?

He is playing a variant of cognitive relativism in effect:

Cognitive relativism consists of two claims:
(1) The truth-value of any statement is always relative to some particular standpoint;
(2) No standpoint is metaphysically privileged over all others.

Cognitive Relativism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

There is no single universal methodology for all of reality. Not science, philosophy nor religion.
Science works only in a limited sense for reality. The same for philosophy and religion.

The point is that spiritual truth is subjective and relative to the individual, as far as I can tell. I agree.

 

[ppp]

Honestly, your stubbornness

Cool. I just told you what my problem with your position is. What am I being stubborn about?

I am going to go buy a drill. Take your time.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...

Your not holding the "full truth" does not preclude you from thinking you know better than I do.

Well I know, I know worse that you and that is better for me subjectively, because I like being a skeptic and Know nothing.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Cool. I just told you what my problem with your position is. What am I being stubborn about?

You think there is one and only one truth. As far as I can tell.

 

[Heyo]

ah........no

ah ... yes

You are conflating truth and Truth™.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

ah ... yes

You are conflating truth and Truth™.

But there is no single truth. There are different truths and they work differently.

 

[ChristineM]

Chevy red is a patented color

it's not fire engine red

and you know the difference?

I don't really care, i do know that gravity works though

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am saying that this...

...does not follow from this.


Your not holding the "full truth" does not preclude you from thinking you know better than I do.

Do I think I know better then you?

 

[ChristineM]

But you can't see that as see.

If we are play this game there are several kinds of truth even in philosophy.

Philosophy is not fact or reality,.