Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The truth in your words can be found in the Bible, so yes you are right
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Truth is not constant.
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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I see truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
Some people see it as "a belief that is accepted as true"
I prefer my version, there is less confusion and people know what truth you are actually talking about because truth is the same for everyone.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
My OP is seen from a spiritual pow. Not from physical pow
Thief
Rogue Theologian
ah........no
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Now you hit the nail on the head
we as human beings do not see the full truth. Only what we our self can conceive
exchemist
Veteran Member
I'm not so sure. Once, we thought the mass of an object was constant. Now, since the early c.20th, we think that if the temperature of your rock changes, so does its mass. So our conception of even that has changed.
But fair enough, I do accept there are things we can say to be true, given that we define the limits of what we mean sufficiently precisely. And a great deal more things can be said to be approximately true, or true enough to treat as true without worrying pedantically about the constraints on their strict validity.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Do you know the full truth of everything?
ppp
Well-Known Member
Like I said. Echo chamber politics. No meaning. His (and your?) definition is ego driven; designed to declare anyone who does not buy his (and your?) opinion as truth to be at a lower level of "wisdom". It's the standard classist claptrap that we have seen from humans through the history of our species.As assessed from your current level of wisdom?
"...an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a closed system and insulates them from rebuttal."
Oh yes, fact and reality have that effect
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes, I think a degree of humility about the limitations of our human perspective is a useful principle.Now you hit the nail on the head
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Chevy red is a patented color
it's not fire engine red
and you know the difference?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
So my question was ego driven
Since truth is not constant, I guess that prove I do not hold the full truth, ergo not driven from an ego saying I know better then you.
My question or OP are often made so discussion occur. That do not mean I know everything. I ask to get others views and understanding.
Onoma
Active Member
I get what OP is saying, I think..
A great example is where Einstein was once quoted as saying that “There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable ", yet that same year Fermi successfully split the uranium atom. By 1939 they understood it was possible to create a chain reaction
I think when you start invoking mathematics though, the question of " Do proofs exist independent of the mind ? " should come into play, iow " Does immutable truth exist independently, or is all truth mutable ? "
The mathematician Paul Erdőse spoke of " The Book ", a visualization of a book in which God had written down the best and most elegant proofs for mathematical theorems. He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the "Supreme Fascist" (SF). He accused God of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports, and of keeping the most elegant mathematical proofs to Himself.
A great example is where Einstein was once quoted as saying that “There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable ", yet that same year Fermi successfully split the uranium atom. By 1939 they understood it was possible to create a chain reaction
I think when you start invoking mathematics though, the question of " Do proofs exist independent of the mind ? " should come into play, iow " Does immutable truth exist independently, or is all truth mutable ? "
The mathematician Paul Erdőse spoke of " The Book ", a visualization of a book in which God had written down the best and most elegant proofs for mathematical theorems. He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the "Supreme Fascist" (SF). He accused God of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports, and of keeping the most elegant mathematical proofs to Himself.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Only when they sting
ppp
Well-Known Member
If that is an earnest question, then warrant it. If it is simply a prop for more rhetoric, no thanks.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and of course....one equation was enough to inspire the bomb
and politics enough to find a use for it
if God surrendered His power of creation......
oh oh
Thief
Rogue Theologian
HA!......the sting isn't badOnly when they sting
it's the truth
it's the infection they spread
that is bad
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But you can't see that as see.
If we are play this game there are several kinds of truth even in philosophy.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
It was asked in honesty. Reason being to me it often seems like everybody is wrong except for you, according to your posting. But I could be wrong.