Two Kinds of Salvation

[Ben Avraham]

~;> THAT INRI WAS MADE JUST TO INSULT JESUS AND THOSE PEOPLE DURING THAT TIME ARE THE ONE WHO FORCE PILATE TO DO THE THINGS WHICH IS AGAINST HIS WILL READ AGAIN

No, you are wrong! Those letters INRI constituted Jesus' verdict for the political charge of insurrection for having allowed his disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in Jerusalem which was a Roman province at the time. The Pharisees even tried to save Jesus from being arrested by asking him to stop his disciples from acclaiming him king of the Jews or he would be arrested. Jesus refused on the basis that if he stopped them, the stones would cry out instead. Perhaps he was enjoying the parade and preferred not to say any thing. Soon afterwards he was arrested and Pilate never forgot the event. Hence the plate with Jesus' verdict INRI nailed on his cross by orders of Pilate. Now, read Luke 19:37-40. It is all in your own Bible the NT. Nothing to do with "those people" as you slander the Jews with.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> no you are wrong again
we never slander anyone
for we are just just saying what is written
all along with the NT
and its even written on the old testament
:read: (so as it is written)
Psalms 22:16
For dogs have surrounded me.
A company of evildoers have enclosed me.
They have pierced my hands and feet.
17 I can count all of my bones.
They look and stare at me.
18 They divide my garments among them.
They cast lots for my clothing.

and
what we've said before
THAT INRI WAS MADE JUST TO INSULT JESUS AND THOSE PEOPLE DURING THAT TIME ARE THE ONE WHO FORCE PILATE TO DO THE THINGS WHICH IS AGAINST HIS WILL READ AGAIN
ALL THOSE AVAILABLE SCRIPTURE
IN THE BIBLE
ABOUT THIS VERSES THAT WE'VE SHARED UNTO YOU
as it is written
:read:
John 19:6
Therefore, when the Rashei Hakohanim and the mesharetim saw Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, they cried out, saying, "Hang him on haAitz! Hang him on haAitz!" Pilate says to them, "You take him and you hang him on haAitz! I find no avon in him." [Devarim 21:22]
7 In reply, those of Yehudah said, "We have a Torah and, according to the Torah, he must die [Vayikra 24:16], because he made himself to be the Ben HaElohim."
8 Therefore, when Pilate heard this dvar he was afraid even more.
9 And Pilate entered into the Praetorium again and says to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, "From where are you?" But Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach did not give an answer (YESHAYAH 53:7).
10 Therefore, Pilate says to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, "To me you do not speak? Do you not have da'as that I have samchut (authority) to free you and I have samchut (authority) to hang you on haAitz?"
11 In reply, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach answered him, "You do not have samchut (authority) against me at all, except it had been given to you from above; therefore, the avon is gadol, is even greater, the avon of the one having handed me over to you."
12 From this point, Pilate began seeking to free Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach; but those of Yehudah cried out, saying, "If this man you free, you are no friend of Caesar's; everyone making himself a Melech speaks against Caesar."
13 Therefore, Pilate, having heard these dvarim, led Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach out, and Pilate sat down upon a tribunal (seat of judgment) in a place being called "The Pavement" (In Aramaic, Gabta).
14 Now it was Erev Pesach, the sha'ah (hour, time) it was about the shi**** (sixth, the sixth hour, about noon), and Pilate says to those of Yehudah, "Hinei, your Melech!"
15 Therefore, these cried out, "Away, away, hang him on haAitz!" Pilate says to them, "Shall I hang on haAitz your Melech?" In reply, the Kohen Gadol said, "We do not have a Melech except Caesar."

AND AGAIN
IF THE MEANING WERE DIFFERENT THEN WE SHALL JOIN ALL YOUR BELIEF
IF WE MAY SAY SO


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godbless
unto all always

No, you are wrong! Those letters INRI constituted Jesus' verdict for the political charge of insurrection for having allowed his disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in Jerusalem which was a Roman province at the time. The Pharisees even tried to save Jesus from being arrested by asking him to stop his disciples from acclaiming him king of the Jews or he would be arrested. Jesus refused on the basis that if he stopped them, the stones would cry out instead. Perhaps he was enjoying the parade and preferred not to say any thing. Soon afterwards he was arrested and Pilate never forgot the event. Hence the plate with Jesus' verdict INRI nailed on his cross by orders of Pilate. Now, read Luke 19:37-40. It is all in your own Bible the NT. Nothing to do with "those people" as you slander the Jews with.

 

[Ben Avraham]

~;> no you are wrong again
we never slander anyone
for we are just just saying what is written
all along with the NT
and its even written on the old testament
:read: (so as it is written)
Psalms 22:16
For dogs have surrounded me.
A company of evildoers have enclosed me.
They have pierced my hands and feet.
17 I can count all of my bones.
They look and stare at me.
18 They divide my garments among them.
They cast lots for my clothing.

And since the NT was written by Hellenists former disciples of Paul, their aim was to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology and, by doing so, they would slander the Jewish authorities. I apologize if I gave the impression that directly I applied to you the slander of the authors. Now, if you agree with the anti-Jewish words of the NT, then we have no choice but to charge all Christians with slandering the Jews.

Psalms 22:6 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus but David about the Gentiles whom he had to war against. The Jews did not pierce the hands and feet of Jesus. They rather tried twice, mind you, to save Jesus from being arrested first by Herod and the second time around by Pilate. Jesus listened to the Pharisees about Herod and escaped arrest. He refused to listen in Jerusalem and was arrested and taken to the cross. (Luke 19:37-40) And Jesus was not the first whose hands and feet were pierced. If you read Josephus, thousands of Jews were pierced to crosses throughout the First Century. The point here is that the gospel writers plagiarized the Psalms and attributed them to what happened to Jesus.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

The Jews! Trying to make the world nasty! So, what was Jesus talking about when he said that salvation comes from the Jews? And "from the Jews" he said; not from one among the Jews. Well, if to you, the Jews are making the world nasty, could it be that you are implying that the Christian Nazis were trying to make the world merciful and lovable?

no its a game I don't think you understand;

 

[Ben Avraham]

no its a game I don't think you understand;

Good! I don't know if I wanted to understand that more than what happened during the Holocaust could ever be possible. That was more than all the sacrifices made for the whole of Mankind.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

anyways some could say that be pretending be the only ones too so..

Good! I don't know if I wanted to understand that more than what happened during the Holocaust could ever be possible. That was more than all the sacrifices made for the whole of Mankind.

Okay my friend said once we didn't look to create death.


I do believe in Jesus Christ. (that maybe just me)
Just the latter I could explain because of certain things that happened to others who also believed they too were monotheistic. So for example I don't know how you feel about the texts of the old testament and new.
I never went into much of the left and right
I did like Jesus Though on the part of love.
And for the most part I didn't even read the trial of who killed who.
Because I genuinely liked Jesus Christ.
Acts.. Has many clues
Judas does too because he said his lord was the same lord that brought death and confusion in the old. Writers of certain passages of the old testament. By the way he's so set off by some woman that he probably interprets to the writers of Jeremiah and Zachariah depending on who you talk too..
Be sides His miracles; The Pharisees didn't like Jesus (for he was actually after their hearts because of a hardening that happened, because even david did also understand that he went out of monogamy and out of the garden idea, so he thought by faith however Jesus there was a reason for that) These things conjoined to the garden story. Judas was the example the hardening of hearts not that I'm saying you killed jesus or not be over it, or that Judas didn't repent of it...Why would I hang something over peoples heads forever if Jesus Christ was about forgiveness and the romans herod and pilate escapades. For this reason Judas is considered by peter numbered among them.
(keep in mind I thought it more to subjugate or cast a different thing on Jesus and who he really was with a sort of replacement that you may understand outside the box or reading between the lines of crappy people LOL)
1.The phrase that gives away where he took the money and tried to give it back, the references and who Judas' lord is. Or even how it's stated is something very odd.
2. Where Peter asks even after the betrayal; which one shall betray you?
3. I thought Judas already did so.
4. Judas as two very different deaths..
5. Peter does some strange things in acts.
6. After he announced to the church or to people his purpose he assumes there should be another apostle
7. They roll dice or pull straws.. I found that strange..
8. He sees others as animals even those that worships one God in other places, he calls him to him.
9. He curses a man and a woman who didn't give the full amount; what they said they bought it for even if it was their wish... They both are cursed to death.
10. Who would use the Holy Spirit for death?
11. And then even worse they get attacked by the people who beat and throw them in jail. However; they didn't do anything to them? Nothing happened to people that challenged him by the power of the Holy Spirit which I found strange in comparison that a man and a woman should just die in their presence to cause fear in something by a small comparison why is that merciful in the least?
Acts..
(this is by sides the point..I do believe though he was resurrected..)
Peter...
Trying to match maybe see people as animals and that they are the heads of God..
Like the garden of eden story..
Sort of
I'll start with new; where peter see animals. (Y) Paul and Barbados head off with Bar- Jesus and Sergio Paulus.. (X)
Some things about Paul is that he does sort of the same thing but he gets a call to go meet those fellas again because they are worried about the penis problem.
Which is restated as the heart. But there's things like that...
As for the old testament like the end of second chronicles is very much like that. The part where I made comment of the writers of Jeremiah and Judas. Judges are just flamboyant..
Anyways..

 

[ukok102nak]

And since the NT was written by Hellenists former disciples of Paul, their aim was to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology and, by doing so, they would slander the Jewish authorities. I apologize if I gave the impression that directly I applied to you the slander of the authors. Now, if you agree with the anti-Jewish words of the NT, then we have no choice but to charge all Christians with slandering the Jews.

Psalms 22:6 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus but David about the Gentiles whom he had to war against. The Jews did not pierce the hands and feet of Jesus. They rather tried twice, mind you, to save Jesus from being arrested first by Herod and the second time around by Pilate. Jesus listened to the Pharisees about Herod and escaped arrest. He refused to listen in Jerusalem and was arrested and taken to the cross. (Luke 19:37-40) And Jesus was not the first whose hands and feet were pierced. If you read Josephus, thousands of Jews were pierced to crosses throughout the First Century. The point here is that the gospel writers plagiarized the Psalms and attributed them to what happened to Jesus.

~;> the new testament is not made to slander jewis people
remember always
theres no commandment of christjesus to murder anyone nor slander it
but to love one another
there is no need to be stone to death nor to be slave just like whore when it comes to those females before

it seems that you failed us
to believe you
for using that hellinistic arguments of yours for they were not true christians
at all
and
you even using the christians
as an excuse unto your own opinion
to slander christians
when they just only wrote what is really happening in the past
just like how those prophets before use to write happends in the past
coz some of those jews use to slander many people even before christjesus is in human form
thats why
god punish them
as it is written
:read:
Judges 19:22
While they were enjoying themselves, some worthless men from the city surrounded the house and pounded on the door. They told the old man, the owner of the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so that we can have sex with him."
23 The owner went out to them. He told them, "No, my friends! Please don't do anything so evil! This man is a guest in my home. Don't do such a godless thing!
24 Here, let me bring out my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. Rape them, and do with them whatever you want. Just don't do such a godless thing to this man."
25 But the men refused to listen to him. So the Levite grabbed his concubine and forced her outside. They had sex with her and abused her all night until morning. They let her go when the sun was coming up.
26 At daybreak, the woman came to the door of the house where her husband was and collapsed. She was still there when it became light.
27 Her husband got up in the morning, opened the doors of the house, and was about to leave. His wife (that is, his concubine) was lying at the door of the house with her hands on the doorstep.
28 The Levite said to her, "Get up! Let's go!" But she did not answer. So he put her on the donkey and left for home.
29 When he arrived home, he got a knife. He took his concubine and cut her limb from limb into 12 pieces. Then he sent the pieces throughout the territories of Israel.
30 Everyone who saw it said, "Never has such a thing happened or been seen from the time the people of Israel came out of Egypt until today. Think about it! Form a plan, and speak out!"

so dont speak any evil things against any christians


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godbless
unto all always

 

[ukok102nak]

by the way
about your arguments on
Psalms 22:6 that ithas absolutely nothing to do with Jesus but David about the Gentiles whom he had to war against
are all wrong also
coz you have failed to distinguished the words god from the words of man
so as it is written
:read:
Psalms 40:6
Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you have prepared for me. You have not required burnt offering and sin offering.
7 Then I said, "Behold, I have come.
It is written about me in the book in the scroll.b
8 I delight to do your will, my God.
Yes, your Law is within my heart."
9 I have proclaimed glad news of righteousness in the great assembly.
Behold, I will not seal my lips, Lord, you know.
10 I have not hidden your righteousness within my heart.
I have declared your faithfulness and your salvation.
I have not concealed your loving kindness and your truth from the great assembly.

are this verses are telling about the war of david nor is it pertaining about david himself
the answer is no and never in your dreams
for david sin in the eyes of the lord
as it is written
:read:
2 Samuel 11:14
It happened in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah.
15 He wrote in the letter, saying, "Send Uriah to the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him, that he may be struck, and die."

yeah david sent an innocent man in front of war just to have his wife
what a salvation indeed


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godbless
unto all always

 

[Ben Avraham]

by the way about your arguments on Psalms 22:6 that ithas absolutely nothing to do with Jesus but David about the Gentiles whom he had to war against are all wrong also coz you have failed to distinguished the words god from the words of man so as it is written :read:

But of course! what did you expect, that I would think that you would find me right in what I say? You have either forgotten that you are a Christian or that I am a Jew. A Jew is never right when a Christian is plagiarizing the Tanach in the search of Biblical credibility for the NT.

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you have prepared for me. You have not required burnt offering and sin offering.

Here, I agree with you. Indeed, Jeremiah was right when he revealed the secret that HaShem never commanded that sacrifices be part of the religion of Israel. The Lord indeed never required burnt offerings.

7 Then I said, "Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll. 8 I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your Law is within my heart." 9 I have proclaimed glad news of righteousness in the great assembly. Behold, I will not seal my lips, Lord, you know.

This is Jewish but, it does not apply to Jesus as an individual but as part of the People. The "It is written about me" is a forgery either by the Hellenist who wrote that gospel or by the Fathers of the Church just before they canonized the NT. There is nothing written in the Tanach about Jesus in particular.

10 I have not hidden your righteousness within my heart. I have declared your faithfulness and your salvation. I have not concealed your loving kindness and your truth from the great assembly. are this verses are telling about the war of david nor is it pertaining about david himself the answer is no and never in your dreams for david sin in the eyes of the lord as it is written

No, but neither about Jesus in particular. Show me what Jesus did which is not done by all loyal Jews.

:read:

2 Samuel 11:14 It happened in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 He wrote in the letter, saying, "Send Uriah to the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him, that he may be struck, and die."

David indeed committed a gross sin when he used of his influence as king to cause Bathsheba to commit adultery. A double sin David committed: Adultery and murder. Though not by doing the same, Jesus could never have claimed to be without sin. "There has never been a man upon earth to have done only good and never sinned." That's in Ecclesiastes 7:20. Besides, if we are to believe Mat. 23:13-33, Jesus broke the Golden Rule 15 times only in that text when he offended the Jewish authorities with being hypocrites and brood of vipers. I don't believe the text but you do. So, Jesus was a sinner too. The Golden Rule covers the whole second part of the Decalogue. Serious transgressions right there my friend!

 

[Ben Avraham]

~;> the new testament is not made to slander jewis people
remember always theres no commandment of christjesus to murder anyone nor slander it but to love one another there is no need to be stone to death nor to be slave just like whore when it comes to those females before

You can't see slanders in your Bible because Christian preconceived notions won't let you loose. It is only obvious that you will never admit the truth that millions of Jews have been murdered through Christian pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and last but not least the Holocaust whose murderers were Christians. Hitler himself was a Catholic Christian from birth. Besides, Pope Pius XI signed a Concordat with the Nazis not to interfere with the Final Solution of the Jewish People. And they stood by that agreement. Even the next Pope Pius XII kept his mouth closed in a disgraceful silence when he could have done a lot to save many Jewish lives. All because the slanders of the NT against the Jews. The other day I watched the Dictator Assad from Syria saying on the TV that he wondered why Americans insisted on protecting the murderers of their god. Jesus, somehow prophesied those things in Mat. 5:11 as he mentioned the persecutions of the Jews falsely in his name. Could the dead know what goes on earth, Jesus would have turned in his grave.

 

[Ben Avraham]

anyways some could say that be pretending be the only ones too so..

Okay my friend said once we didn't look to create death.


I do believe in Jesus Christ. (that maybe just me)
Just the latter I could explain because of certain things that happened to others who also believed they too were monotheistic. So for example I don't know how you feel about the texts of the old testament and new.
I never went into much of the left and right
I did like Jesus Though on the part of love.was with a sort of replacement that you may understand outside the box or reading between the lines of crappy people LOL)
1.The phrase that gives away where he took the money and tried to give it back, the references and who Judas' lord is. Or even how it's stated is something very odd.
2. Where Peter asks even after the betrayal; which one shall betray you?
3. I thought Judas already did so.
4. Judas as two very different deaths..
5. Peter does some strange things in acts.
6. After he announced to the church or to people his purpose he assumes there should be another apostle
7. They roll dice or pull straws.. I found that strange..
8. He sees others as animals even those that worships one God in other places, he calls him to him.
9. He curses a man and a woman who didn't give the full amount; what they said they bought it for even if it was their wish... They both are cursed to death.
10. Who would use the Holy Spirit for death?
11. And then even worse they get attacked by the people who beat and throw them in jail. However; they didn't do anything to them? Nothing happened to people that challenged him by the power of the Holy Spirit which I found strange in comparison that a man and a woman should just die in their presence to cause fear in something by a small comparison why is that merciful in the least?
Acts..
(this is by sides the point..I do believe though he was resurrected..)
Peter...
Trying to match maybe see people as animals and that they are the heads of God..
Like the garden of eden story..
Sort of
I'll start with new; where peter see animals. (Y) Paul and Barbados head off with Bar- Jesus and Sergio Paulus.. (X)
Some things about Paul is that he does sort of the same thing but he gets a call to go meet those fellas again because they are worried about the penis problem.
Which is restated as the heart. But there's things like that...
As for the old testament like the end of second chronicles is very much like that. The part where I made comment of the writers of Jeremiah and Judas. Judges are just flamboyant..
Anyways..

I just expect that you understand that Jesus never had any thing at all to do with the NT. His gospel was the Tanach, not the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. So, if you ask me, about 20% of the NT could be saved as truthful references to Jesus. The other 80% is composed of anti-Jewish interpolations to build up the Pauline policy of Replacement
Theology.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> how funny that you cant even
see this writtings
:read:
Judges 19:22
While they were enjoying themselves, some worthless men from the city surrounded the house and pounded on the door. They told the old man, the owner of the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so that we can have sex with him."
23 The owner went out to them. He told them, "No, my friends! Please don't do anything so evil! This man is a guest in my home. Don't do such a godless thing!
24 Here, let me bring out my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. Rape them, and do with them whatever you want. Just don't do such a godless thing to this man."
25 But the men refused to listen to him. So the Levite grabbed his concubine and forced her outside. They had sex with her and abused her all night until morning. They let her go when the sun was coming up.
26 At daybreak, the woman came to the door of the house where her husband was and collapsed. She was still there when it became light.
27 Her husband got up in the morning, opened the doors of the house, and was about to leave. His wife (that is, his concubine) was lying at the door of the house with her hands on the doorstep.
28 The Levite said to her, "Get up! Let's go!" But she did not answer. So he put her on the donkey and left for home.
29 When he arrived home, he got a knife. He took his concubine and cut her limb from limb into 12 pieces. Then he sent the pieces throughout the territories of Israel.
30 Everyone who saw it said, "Never has such a thing happened or been seen from the time the people of Israel came out of Egypt until today. Think about it! Form a plan, and speak out!"

so dont speak any evil things against any christians
and dont even try to mislead people
becaused
It is only obvious that you will never admit the truth that millions of Jews have been murdered more people in the past (though we are against those killings before
they prepared to believed unto those angels who they thought as god
thats why
they were been deceived by the evil one)
and
those cases that you've said
regarding through Christian pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and last but not least the Holocaust for the record
if we may say so
whose murderers were
not true christians nor to be considered as christians at all
but some humans who were corrupted by the evil one

so you better learn to accept the truth
what true christians is all about
as it is written
:read:
Romans 13:10
9 For the commandments,
"You shall not commit adultery,"
"You shall not murder,"
"You shall not steal,"
"You shall not covet," and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely,
"You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love does not harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

by the way
your talkin a different jesus
so theres no need to entertain your
kind of thinkin where theres
no spiritual sight on it
have a nice day


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godbless
unto all always

You can't see slanders in your Bible because Christian preconceived notions won't let you loose. Christians. Hitler himself was a Catholic Christian from birth. Besides, Pope Pius XI signed a Concordat with the Nazis not to interfere with the Final Solution of the Jewish People. And they stood by that agreement. Even the next Pope Pius XII kept his mouth closed in a disgraceful silence when he could have done a lot to save many Jewish lives. All because the slanders of the NT against the Jews. The other day I watched the Dictator Assad from Syria saying on the TV that he wondered why Americans insisted on protecting the murderers of their god. Jesus, somehow prophesied those things in Mat. 5:11 as he mentioned the persecutions of the Jews falsely in his name. Could the dead know what goes on earth, Jesus would have turned in his grave.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I just expect that you understand that Jesus never had any thing at all to do with the NT. His gospel was the Tanach, not the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. So, if you ask me, about 20% of the NT could be saved as truthful references to Jesus. The other 80% is composed of anti-Jewish interpolations to build up the Pauline policy of Replacement
Theology.

Okay well I don't care either way. Because it's actually is a philosophy that goes with the idea of the end of second chronicles which I guess was a popular thought back then too that went into the new testament, so I don't think you hate paul. Also a view that other people that were decently worshiping one God, were animals or animals came first is a view viewed in genesis and also by that of peter in acts.
So I don't care that either really have the full truth, neither a dividing third in islam .

 

[Ben Avraham]

Okay well I don't care either way. Because it's actually is a philosophy that goes with the idea of the end of second chronicles which I guess was a popular thought back then too that went into the new testament, so I don't think you hate paul. Also a view that other people that were decently worshiping one God, were animals or animals came first is a view viewed in genesis and also by that of peter in acts.
So I don't care that either really have the full truth, neither a dividing third in islam .

So, what was it that caused you to come to this forum to discus if you don't care about any thing as the truth is concerned?

 

[Ben Avraham]

~;> how funny that you cant even
see this writtings Judges 19:22.

What do you mean "I can't see the writings of Judges 19:22? Without talking about the text I have to review in my discussions of the Tanach versus the NT, I read the whole of the Tanach
every year for my spiritual nutrition and that text of Judges 19:22 I read it every year. What's your point in bringing it up to me at this moment? Perhaps to think of it when I expose the anti-Jewish attacks of the NT? Someone must stand in self-defense when none else seems to care.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

So, what was it that caused you to come to this forum to discus if you don't care about any thing as the truth is concerned?

Well when I first came back to the united states; Where I tried to fit in with whoever I met and unbiasedly, didn't work out so well, not from my opinion anyways. After I got out of that; which happy to be, there seemed to be sorts of political social or moral communications followed. So I disconnected with that, ties even communications with people and tried understand why that would be.
So I couldn't attack sides neither cared too but I understood this is coming from social, political, or moral side of the issue.
Some would say it's brainwashing. I noticed some silly little things, claims of being more monotheistic then the monotheist and some moral claims to that, character attacks, claims of being more pagan than the pagan and some character attacks and moral claims; from atheism or atheism that does not believe in evolution.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Well when I first came back to the united states; Where I tried to fit in with whoever I met and unbiasedly, didn't work out so well, not from my opinion anyways. After I got out of that; which happy to be, there seemed to be sorts of political social or moral communications followed. So I disconnected with that, ties even communications with people and tried understand why that would be.
So I couldn't attack sides neither cared too but I understood this is coming from social, political, or moral side of the issue.
Some would say it's brainwashing. I noticed some silly little things, claims of being more monotheistic then the monotheist and some moral claims to that, character attacks, claims of being more pagan than the pagan and some character attacks and moral claims; from atheism or atheism that does not believe in evolution.

Are you an atheist who believes in evolution? Well, evolution is Biblical. Not evolution according to Charles Darwin but still evolution. Evolution that's safe to believe in it. (Genesis 1:27) That's about the commandment that was given to man to grow and to multiply and to fill up the earth.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Are you an atheist who believes in evolution? Well, evolution is Biblical. Not evolution according to Charles Darwin but still evolution. Evolution that's safe to believe in it. (Genesis 1:27) That's about the commandment that was given to man to grow and to multiply and to fill up the earth.

Well people have defined evolution in their own way that doesn't leave anything special anymore. Charles darwin of course dehumanizes. Atheists that appreciate a man and a woman home don't follow in polygamy ideas or some of the social changed political push that is often idolize as change or welcomed, because it's hardening of abuses. So where they are they actually believe in moralism but agruments of changing morals they told me, that they do believe in God it's just that because they refused the social move of evolution, while some said that it was God ordained and abusively at times they claimed that they were atheists that don't believe in evolution.
"That's about the commandment that was given to man to grow and to multiply and to fill up the earth." Depending on who what and why that can be used by anyone in an abusive fashion.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> thats explain
none else seems to care
about your spiritual sight coz again and again you failed to amuse us
also your spirit is unhealthy even you read the tanach all the time
as it is written
:read:
Isaiah 56:11
Yes, the dogs are greedy, they can never have enough; and these are shepherds who can't understand: they have all turned to their own way, each one to his gain, from every quarter.


:ty:




godbless
unto all always

What do you mean "I can't see the writings of Judges 19:22? Without talking about the text I have to review in my discussions of the Tanach versus the NT, I read the whole of the Tanach
every year for my spiritual nutrition and that text of Judges 19:22 I read it every year. What's your point in bringing it up to me at this moment? Perhaps to think of it when I expose the anti-Jewish attacks of the NT? Someone must stand in self-defense when none else seems to care.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

The word meme was coined by Richard Dawkins in his 1976 book The Selfish Gene, as an attempt to explain the way cultural information spreads; Internet memes are a subset of this general meme concept specific to the culture and environment of the Internet.

Well when I first came back to the united states; Where I tried to fit in with whoever I met and unbiasedly, didn't work out so well, not from my opinion anyways. After I got out of that; which happy to be, there seemed to be sorts of political social or moral communications followed. So I disconnected with that, ties even communications with people and tried understand why that would be.
So I couldn't attack sides neither cared too but I understood this is coming from social, political, or moral side of the issue.
Some would say it's brainwashing. I noticed some silly little things, claims of being more monotheistic then the monotheist and some moral claims to that, character attacks, claims of being more pagan than the pagan and some character attacks and moral claims; from atheism or atheism that does not believe in evolution.