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[Subduction Zone]

Many herbal remedies have been tested by millions of people.

Yes. Aspirin works!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently I'm not allowed to comment further on these issues, so moving on!

Okay, sorry to hear that.

But you might want to learn how we know that your claims are false. You might be able to ask that question. But I don't want to get you into trouble.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes. Aspirin works!!

So does Echinacea.

So does something as simple as molasses in some cases.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Many herbal remedies have been tested by millions of people.

Not in any rigorous or scientific way.
As much as you want anecdotes to be evidence here, they just aren't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course I do. Doesn't change what I said.

Oh yes it does. The science shows the exact opposite of your claims.
You're just wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So does Echinacea.

So does something as simple as molasses in some cases.

For what?

Edit: Oh sorry, I see you're not allowed to comment any longer (?)

 

[Subduction Zone]

So does Echinacea.

No, that has not been proven to be the case:

Echinacea

So does something as simple as molasses in some cases.

Ah yes, sucrose.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It was certainly good for us...no more bowing to the queen.

I would far rather bow to the Queen than to the likes of Trump or Putin
But in reality and in a long life I have not had occasion to bow to anyone.
And so it is with most people.

All a study is is a bunch of anecdotes put together. If it's a 300 person trial, it's enough for a study but if you have millions claiming side effects in this case it's ignored... doesn't make sense.

Side effect are always studied. However very few are found to have any relationship to the supposed cause.
All proven side effects are duly attributed in the documentation of each medication. Every such document also requests any suspected new side effect to be reported.
All medications do have side effects, however no medication is released that des not show a positive harm/benefit analysis, to the benefit of the patient.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Lots of foods are medicinal. Fish for example.
Maintenance of health happens by proper exercise, eating and taking modern medicine only if necessary.

Many foods are deadly to those allergic to them, which to others are part of a healthy diet.
All humans were at one time allergic to the lactose in milk. Over time a proportion of the human race has become able to tolerate it.

It is realistic to suppose, that the many religious dietary restrictions came out of the reasonable and observable reactions to, and the keeping qualities, of certain foods, rather than the dictates of God.

Herbal remedies and old wives tales, come out of real experience, however true or misguided.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, that has not been proven to be the case:

Echinacea



Ah yes, sucrose.

The only proof is whether they increased the health of the people using them.
My ninty three years old father takes a spoonful of black strap malosses for iron... not everyone can take iron pills. The doctor he spoke to who reads his stats didn't seem to even know what black strap malosses is.

 

[Wildswanderer]

For what?

Edit: Oh sorry, I see you're not allowed to comment any longer (?)

I'm sure I'm allowed to comment on simple remedies, just not on the covid stuff that has been labeled conspiracy theories.

Molasses is for iron deficiency. Not everyone can take iron pills because of stomach issues.
The echinicha is a boost for the immune system like many natural products. Elderberry syrup is supposed to be good also. Even stuff like fish oil is a natural remedy for joints.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Not in any rigorous or scientific way.
As much as you want anecdotes to be evidence here, they just aren't.

And a lot of those " scientifically tested" drugs are the problem for a lot of people.
It all depends who you choose to believe...the drug companies or lay people's experiences.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The only proof is whether they increased the health of the people using them.
My ninty three years old father takes a spoonful of black strap malosses for iron... not everyone can take iron pills. The doctor he spoke to who reads his stats didn't seem to even know what black strap malosses is.

No, if you want to comment about medical issues you have to learn how they test and confirm or refute claims in medicine. If you refuse to do so a simple "You're wrong." refutes you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And a lot of those " scientifically tested" drugs are the problem for a lot of people.
It all depends who you choose to believe...the drug companies or lay people's experiences.

You're wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The only proof is whether they increased the health of the people using them.
My ninty three years old father takes a spoonful of black strap malosses for iron... not everyone can take iron pills. The doctor he spoke to who reads his stats didn't seem to even know what black strap malosses is.

The issue is about a demonstration that these things actually do the things they are claimed to do. Anecdotes don't get you there.

Ingesting foods that provide nutrients isn't something I'd consider medicine.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You're wrong.

I'm wrong about drugs having bad effects on some people? Lol, ok then!
But you are definitely wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And a lot of those " scientifically tested" drugs are the problem for a lot of people.

Yeah no kidding. No every drug is good for every person. I'm allergic to penicillin so it doesn't help me. So what?

Those scientifically tested drugs have known side effects. Do you know why they are known? Because rigorous scientific testing has identified them!

It all depends who you choose to believe...the drug companies or lay people's experiences.

You don't have to believe anything a drug company says. That's the beauty of science.

"Peoples' experiences" just tells me what people think a thing does. It doesn't demonstrate that what people think about it is true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm wrong about drugs having bad effects on some people? Lol, ok then!
But you are definitely wrong.

Of course there can be negative effects. So what? You know so little here that a simple So what points out that you have no clue. Learn the basics so that you can debate.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You don't have to believe anything a drug company says. That's the beauty of science.

Only you can't know the science of everything. Do you personally test each drug? Where are you getting some unbiased source for the science of each medicine used?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course there can be negative effects. So what? You know so little here that a simple So what points out that you have no clue. Learn the basics so that you can debate.

So you have nothing to argue with. Why are you here then?