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U.K. Doctors Could Soon Face Action over "Misleading" Social Media Posts
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I have time.
I'll need a source, as well.
Are we talking about say, headaches, or something? I got a temporary headache after getting vaccinated, but I wouldn't say that's like, a detrimental side effect or anything. I get the same thing if I eat too much salt.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Data captured by Defense Medical Epidemiology Database shows sharp spikes in miscarriages, myocarditis, cancer diagnoses, Bell's palsy, female infertility.
Of course you can do your own looking:
VAERS - Data
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Of course they are. Are you claiming no herbal remedies have any benefits?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Seeing is believing.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Oh Lordy.
As per VAERS own disclaimer:
"VAERS accepts reports of adverse events that occur following vaccination. Anyone, including Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS even if they are not sure if the vaccine was the cause. In some situations, reporting to VAERS is required of healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers.
VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind."
VAERS - Data
I think we've already been over this before. Remember how I told you a guy got a pay out after reporting that a flu vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk? (He was actually a doctor, testing the system.)
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Anecdotes are pretty much useless. How do we know it wasn't caused by the placebo effect? Or something else?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
So the millions with actual side effects are silenced because, well, because we don't want to hear stories that contradict the official narrative.
Same thing happens in the medical field in general. If an alternative cure works for a huge percentage we can just ignore that. " Oh it's just anecdotal."
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm claiming "herbal remedies" aren't medicine, unless they've been tested and shown to be efficacious in a scientific manner - not by anecdotal guesses.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
It's a democracy, using the FPTP system.
Who is this "we" ? I don't believe free thinking people are odd, but I can't speak for anyone else.
Yeah it was good when the fundies left.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Lol, anything that improves health is medicinal.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
It was certainly good for us...no more bowing to the queen.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Uh nope. You have one, unverifiable story about your wife. That's the thing about anecdotes.
Why do you think, vaccines and other drugs have to be put through rigorous clinical trials over and over before they can ever been approved by any medical body for mass public use?
Should we just decide if a drug is helpful or harmful based on personal anecdotes, do you think? Or do you think that might be folly?
Nope again.
Anecdotes are pretty much useless. How do we know it wasn't caused by the placebo effect? Or something else?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Eating carrots can improve your health. Are carrots medicinal?
Medical Definition of medicine
1 : a substance or preparation used in treating disease. 2a : the science and art dealing with the maintenance of health and the prevention, alleviation, or cure of disease.
Definition of MEDICINE
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Win-win then. Charles the First was a queen?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Lots of foods are medicinal. Fish for example.
Maintenance of health happens by proper exercise, eating and taking modern medicine only if necessary.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Only these weren't. They were rushed through. The mass public were the trial phase and then the negative results were largely ignored.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Of course one only takes medicine when necessary. The problem is that science deniers often do not understand "when necessary'. There is a lot that one can do with proper diet and exercise. But one cannot always do everything. People quite often need modern medicine, and the older that they get the more likely it is that they will need it.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
All a study is is a bunch of anecdotes put together. If it's a 300 person trial, it's enough for a study but if you have millions claiming side effects in this case it's ignored... doesn't make sense.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sorry, from what I have seen your claim is false. I doubt if you could properly support it. You probably do not even understand reporting of supposed negative effects. But I would love it if you tried.