Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

[Subduction Zone]

Ukraine has other ideas.
Unlike Italy, there's no love for Putin,
or to become under his boot.

Japan attacked USA.
USA ended that war ASAP, thereby avoiding
even more deaths.
Italy sided with Hitler, who was the aggressor.
Italy went along with his plan to exterminate
millions of people, & conquer the continent.
Italy was (perhaps still is) ready to assist any
predatory misanthrope.

I would not judge all of Italy based upon one very odd poster from that country.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Russia is a democracy.

Only in the minds of Putin and his cronies - and his supporters around the world. It can hardly be a democracy when Putin only allows those he thinks (and probably knows) will have no chance against him to stand. And with censorship the norm now in Russia (has been for some time), there is little chance for any who do want to stand against him and his regime to get their views across to the Russian public.

If you don't like an election result, it remains democratic.

Only in your head - given the above.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ukraine has other ideas.
Unlike Italy, there's no love for Putin,
or to become under his boot.

If Zelenskyy thinks that the people sides with him, he should grant new elections...
Maybe he does know that the people wants this war to terminate today and not even the 0.5% would vote for him...
That's why he probably said no to new elections

Japan attacked USA.
USA ended that war ASAP, thereby avoiding
even more deaths.
Italy sided with Hitler, who was the aggressor.
Italy went along with his plan to exterminate
millions of people, & conquer the continent.
Italy was (perhaps still is) ready to assist any
predatory misanthrope.

No...I meant that the Japanese were hit with the two atomic bombs.
If they had surrendered in May, as the Germans did, none of this would have happened.

 

[Secret Chief]

Really? Maybe in your country there's such a narrative.
In other countries they say that Russians are all wicked and they elected another wicked man, Putin, who is like them.

So they believe they were free and fair democratic elections.

The "narrative" as you dismissively call it is not a maybe and is not limited to this country. It was a sham. Serious opposition is jailed or dead.

"European Council president Charles Michel congratulated Putin for winning the election before the election officially concluded, adding that there was "No opposition. No freedom. No choice.” "

- Elections in Russia - Wikipedia

 

[Estro Felino]

I would not judge all of Italy based upon one very odd poster from that country.

You can judge my country by our PM

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can judge my country by our PM

Quote mines are not an accurate way to debate. Far too often the person quoted meant something totally different than what the quote was used for.

 

[Stevicus]

I am from the South. To us, war ended in 1943. Because Americans managed to conquer all the South, including Naples.
Despite Nazis' attempt to reconquer Sicily back.
By the by, my grandparents kept a missile fired by the Nazis in the harbor, and I still have it.
Of course it's empty. It's an interesting piece of history.

There was some pretty heavy fighting in Italy, as the Nazis didn't give it up without a fight.

Sicily figured prominently in the movie Patton, as he was obsessed with taking Messina ahead of the British General Montgomery. It was when the infamous slapping incident took place which brought a good deal of discredit to Patton (although George C. Scott's portrayal almost appeared sympathetic).

 

[Revoltingest]

I would not judge all of Italy based upon one very odd poster from that country.

This is our standard repartee.

 

[Revoltingest]

If Zelenskyy thinks that the people sides with him, he should grant new elections...
Maybe he does know that the people wants this war to terminate today and not even the 0.5% would vote for him...
That's why he probably said no to new elections

Still no official word, as you claimed?

No...I meant that the Japanese were hit with the two atomic bombs.
If they had surrendered in May, as the Germans did, none of this would have happened.

The firebombing was even deadlier than
the nuclear bombs. Odd, that you're
not concerned with that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Still no official word, as you claimed?

The firebombing was even deadlier than
the nuclear bombs. Odd, that you're
not concerned with that.

What made the atomic bomb work, and it definitely saved American lives and arguably Japanese lives as well, was the sheer dramatic impact of the thing. One minute you have a thriving city with a lone airplane in the sky. And then BOOM no more city. And the airplane has flown away. Firebombing takes massive numbers of airplanes and there will be losses. A single plane dropping a bomb when they are not ready is too hard to defend against in a time of war. Japan needed a dramatic show of force to quit and they got one.

 

[Estro Felino]

Still no official word, as you claimed?

I just hope that all Ukrainian males flee to Poland, Romania and Germany....so Mr Zely will have zero soldiers to send to the front.

The firebombing was even deadlier than
the nuclear bombs. Odd, that you're
not concerned with that.

It reminds me of the movie Oppenheimer...
that they desperately tried to humanize someone who created a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[Koldo]

What made the atomic bomb work, and it definitely saved American lives and arguably Japanese lives as well, was the sheer dramatic impact of the thing. One minute you have a thriving city with a lone airplane in the sky. And then BOOM no more city. And the airplane has flown away. Firebombing takes massive numbers of airplanes and there will be losses. A single plane dropping a bomb when they are not ready is too hard to defend against in a time of war. Japan needed a dramatic show of force to quit and they got one.

How many American lives were taken by the japanese during the WW2? How many japanese lives were spared by dropping the atomic bombs and how did you reach this number?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

How many American lives were taken by the japanese during the WW2? How many japanese lives were spared by dropping the atomic bombs and how did you reach this number?

I suggest we not try to litigate the necessity of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in this thread. While I do disagree with the assertion that the bombings were necessary or saved lives, the contention to this point is so complicated, nuanced and... complicated that it's barely possible to even articulate in a forum space. Maybe we ought to save it for another thread. In this one, I want us all to unite against the explicit denigration of countries defending themselves against imperialist warmongering.

 

[Estro Felino]

I suggest we not try to litigate the necessity of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in this thread.

I think we should. Russia is the first nuclear power.

 

[Revoltingest]

What made the atomic bomb work, and it definitely saved American lives and arguably Japanese lives as well, was the sheer dramatic impact of the thing. One minute you have a thriving city with a lone airplane in the sky. And then BOOM no more city. And the airplane has flown away. Firebombing takes massive numbers of airplanes and there will be losses. A single plane dropping a bomb when they are not ready is too hard to defend against in a time of war. Japan needed a dramatic show of force to quit and they got one.

Aye, the firebombing & consequent firestorms
killed more Japanese, but they lacked the
dramatic impact of a single bomb's damage.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just hope that all Ukrainian males flee to Poland, Romania and Germany....so Mr Zely will have zero soldiers to send to the front.

It reminds me of the movie Oppenheimer...
that they desperately tried to humanize someone who created a weapon of mass destruction.

"desperately"?
Odd coming from someone in a country
that sided with Hitler & Japan.
Oppenheimer was a better human than
any of Hitler's allies.

 

[Stevicus]

Really? Maybe in your country there's such a narrative.
In other countries they say that Russians are all wicked and they elected another wicked man, Putin, who is like them.

So they believe they were free and fair democratic elections.

Putin won with 88% of the vote: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ay-with-accusations-kyiv-sabotage-2024-03-17/.

When Stalin ran for election, he got 99-100% of the vote.

When asked by a NBC, a U.S. TV network, whether his re-election was democratic, Putin criticised the U.S. political and judicial systems.

"The whole world is laughing at what is happening (in the United States)," he said. "This is just a disaster, not a democracy."

"...Is it democratic to use administrative resources to attack one of the candidates for the presidency of the United States, using the judiciary among other things?" he asked, making an apparent reference to four criminal cases against Republican candidate Donald Trump.

 

[metis]

The presidential elections were scheduled for March 31st, but they will not be held.
And please, spare me the martial law thing: a wartime can even last twenty years. That would make twenty years of martial law.
And by the way, martial law is itself, dictatorship, because there is no democratic vote.

Look at Russia. They are at war, but they still held elections.

BS.

 

[Altfish]

Look at Russia. They are at war, but they still held elections.

That wasn't an election, it was a parade.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think we should. Russia is the first nuclear power.

As to what?