Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

[Estro Felino]

So the 10% (I suspect more by population rather than land area) and all the women abroad don't get a vote?

You haven't understood the point, evidently.

1) Ukraine has already lost those four regions
2) In those four regions and in Crimea, people already voted for the Russian president last week.
This means they are not Ukraine any more. In Occupied Ukraine, Casting a Vote (for Putin) as Armed Soldiers Watch

They cannot vote twice, can they?
Both for the Ukrainian president and the Russian president?

Move on, guys.

 

[Tomef]

You haven't understood the point, evidently.

1) Ukraine has already lost those four regions
2) In those four regions and in Crimea, people already voted for the Russian president last week.
This means they are not Ukraine any more. In Occupied Ukraine, Casting a Vote (for Putin) as Armed Soldiers Watch

They cannot vote twice, can they?
Both for the Ukrainian president and the Russian president?

Move on, guys.

Come on man, this is pretty daft. You seem to think an illegitimate, illegal vote held under threat of imprisonment, torture and death leads to some sort of immutable reality. There are no good reasons to believe such a random notion.

 

[Estro Felino]

Come on man, this is pretty daft. You seem to think an illegitimate, illegal vote held under threat of imprisonment, torture and death leads to some sort of immutable reality. There are no good reasons for such a random notion.

May I know where you're from?

 

[Tomef]

In the remaining 90% of Ukraine there's no war.

What?

 

[Tomef]

May I know where you're from?

Listen if you can’t make an argument, I’m not going to provide fuel for some other silly assertion.

 

[wellwisher]

The presidential elections were scheduled for March 31st, but they will not be held.
And please, spare me the martial law thing: a wartime can even last twenty years. That would make twenty years of martial law.
And by the way, martial law is itself, dictatorship, because there is no democratic vote.

Look at Russia. They are at war, but they still held elections.

The difference is Ukraine is the invaded nation, and therefore it is not safe to hold elections, when there is artillery on the hill waiting for sitting duck voters to concentrate at a few secure polling places. Moscow is safe and protected, to where even shenanigans are safe.

It is interesting that Democrat party has had and still has his affinity for dictators; Castro and Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, China, Drug Cartels, and is pushing hard for money to back the newest one, under the guise of military aid. Deep down the DNC would like an American Dictatorship, but only if they are the ones in control. This is why they project the dictator role on Trump; hide in plain sight. Name me one thing, while in office, that Trump did that was like a dictator? Trump talks the talk, but he follows the law but with clever ingenuity.

If the DNC could become the dictator, they could have a puppet regime appear in charge, they could control business with global excuses like Climate change and COVID, censor free speech and take away rights, have kangaroo courts, spy and target Americans, etc. On second thought, this is already how they behave. The NAZI regime began as a Socialist movement, that ended as a dictatorship, made possible by the ruin of war. Socialism is a stepping stone, if you play your cards right, and make the early changes to culture and key Constitutional values. The chaos of uncontrolled immigration can be useful to that end.

It will now be interesting how Biden and the DNC will treat the newest dictator, who still needs $80 billion. Dictators have the right to acquire fortunes, by their own laws. Fidel Castro became a billionaire by his own rules. He started with a Chemical Engineering salary. My guts tells me Ukraine has made a deal with Putin; satellite buffer regime, since he could not wait for Washington. The new title of Dictator, will disqualify any Ukraine NATO alliance, and it will bring regional security needed by Russia, to end the war. The up coming US donation, by Biden, to Ukraine, will then be able to transition to mad money, to secure and reward the Soviet satellite dictatorship, and help rebuild Ukraine.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What?

Listen if you can’t make an argument, I’m not going to provide fuel for some other silly assertion.

Both of these are really the only effective responses to fascist apologia.

 

[Stevicus]

Ukraine has lost the war.
I know there are so many people in denial, and who think that Ukrainians are cannon fodder to be sacrificed for the sake of the war on the tsar....but someday they will all get sick and tired, they will go wild and overthrow this tyranny by force.
I know it will happen because that's exactly what happened in my country.

I don't know if I would say that Ukraine has "lost" the war. At this point, it appears more of a stalemate, although I don't think Ukraine could outlast Russia in a war of attrition. However, one could say that both sides have lost. Even if Russia "wins" (however that's defined), they still lose. They will still remain isolated by the West and have to endure continued sanctions and censure by NATO.

I think we're probably in for a sustained period of impasse and a standoff in the region. The fighting may eventually diminish or stop altogether, but the situation will continue.

I wonder if we'll ever be able to have any kind of truly normalized relations in this world. It seems there's always something - some "rogue nation" out there to deal with. We Americans think of ourselves as so good and enlightened, and yet, we can't seem to come to grips with or be able to understand why so much unexplainable evil just pops up out of nowhere. It's truly a great mystery, considering that all we want for this world is nothing but good.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know if I would say that Ukraine has "lost" the war. At this point, it appears more of a stalemate, although I don't think Ukraine could outlast Russia in a war of attrition. However, one could say that both sides have lost. Even if Russia "wins" (however that's defined), they still lose.

Russia just wanted those four regions, so they have won, basically.

They will still remain isolated by the West and have to endure continued sanctions and censure by NATO.

I don't think so, because in Europe a political shift is taking place. The pro-Russian forces are on the rise.

I think we're probably in for a sustained period of impasse and a standoff in the region. The fighting may eventually diminish or stop altogether, but the situation will continue.

I don't think so.
Ukrainians will rise up, Ukraine will join the EU, and peace with Russia will be made.
In Europe so many parties are on the verge of committing political suicide.
And maybe even actual suicide.

I wonder if we'll ever be able to have any kind of truly normalized relations in this world. It seems there's always something - some "rogue nation" out there to deal with. We Americans think of ourselves as so good and enlightened, and yet, we can't seem to come to grips with or be able to understand why so much unexplainable evil just pops up out of nowhere. It's truly a great mystery, considering that all we want for this world is nothing but good.

In Europe I only see people who strive for peace and concord through diplomatic means.
Why does the US think the peace is achieved through war?
Americans = Ancient Romans. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

 

[HonestJoe]

The presidential elections were scheduled for March 31st, but they will not be held.
And please, spare me the martial law thing: a wartime can even last twenty years.

You can't dismiss the martial law element though. The Ukrainian Parliament voted to implement and maintain martial law and under Ukrainian law, it is specifically illegal to hold elections under martial law.

It isn't just about the country being at war, it is about the country having been invaded and currently having a significant proportion of it's land under occupation. If they held an election now, many Ukrainians would be unable to vote, ironically, including those most likely to oppose the current administration.

 

[Stevicus]

Russia just wanted those four regions, so they have won, basically.

"Basically," but not quite yet.

I don't think so, because in Europe a political shift is taking place. The pro-Russian forces are on the rise.

Perhaps, although political shifts can be hard to gauge sometimes. It might seem like it's going in one direction, then it shifts again.

I don't think so.
Ukrainians will rise up, Ukraine will join the EU, and peace with Russia will be made.
In Europe so many parties are on the verge of committing political suicide.
And maybe even actual suicide.

Eventually, this may happen, but right now, they seem to be stuck in a quagmire.

In Europe I only see people who strive for peace and concord through diplomatic means.
Why does the US think the peace is achieved through war?
Americans = Ancient Romans. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Because Americans look at the world as a few evil predators and the rest as weak victims. American perceptions tend to dehumanize most of the world and turn most countries and their governments into caricatures and stereotypes which can be portrayed positively or negatively based on the desired outcome. As a result, Putin is thought of as Satan Incarnate, the most evil force on earth, while Zelensky is the plucky underdog, fighting desperately against an evil, intractable enemy. Negotiation or compromise is impossible, because how can anyone compromise with Satan? That will just encourage him to be even more evil.

 

[metis]

Zhelensky knows that he will be out if the elections were held. His poor judgement lead to Ukraine being unnecessarily sucked into geopolitical conflicts leading to heavy civilian casualties, infrastructural losses , economic hardship, and Ukrainians fleeing as refugees to other countries.

Putin had stated even prior to invading the Ukraine that the worst tragedy of the last century was the demise of the Soviet Union, which is logically why he invaded two other countries prior to this one.

 

[metis]

It is interesting that Democrat party has had and still has his affinity for dictators; Castro and Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, China, Drug Cartels, and is pushing hard for money to back the newest one, under the guise of military aid. Deep down the DNC would like an American Dictatorship, but only if they are the ones in control. This is why they project the dictator role on Trump; hide in plain sight. Name me one thing, while in office, that Trump did that was like a dictator? Trump talks the talk, but he follows the law but with clever ingenuity.

If the DNC could become the dictator, they could have a puppet regime appear in charge, they could control business with global excuses like Climate change and COVID, censor free speech and take away rights, have kangaroo courts, spy and target Americans, etc. On second thought, this is already how they behave. The NAZI regime began as a Socialist movement, that ended as a dictatorship, made possible by the ruin of war. Socialism is a stepping stone, if you play your cards right, and make the early changes to culture and key Constitutional values. The chaos of uncontrolled immigration can be useful to that end.

It will now be interesting how Biden and the DNC will treat the newest dictator, who still needs $80 billion. Dictators have the right to acquire fortunes, by their own laws. Fidel Castro became a billionaire by his own rules. He started with a Chemical Engineering salary. My guts tells me Ukraine has made a deal with Putin; satellite buffer regime, since he could not wait for Washington. The new title of Dictator, will disqualify any Ukraine NATO alliance, and it will bring regional security needed by Russia, to end the war. The up coming US donation, by Biden, to Ukraine, will then be able to transition to mad money, to secure and reward the Soviet satellite dictatorship, and help rebuild Ukraine.

^^^^

 

[Laniakea]

Are you implying that it is cheating to get rid of one's opponents? But they just fell down the stairs.

Getting rid of one's opponents is simply "democracy" in action under the guise of "no one is above the law."

 

[Revoltingest]

Getting rid of one's opponents is simply "democracy" in action under the guise of "no one is above the law."

Both Dems & Pubs have held their high politicians
above the law. It's time that changed.
Trump is a great one to start with.

 

[Laniakea]

Both Dems & Pubs have held their high politicians
above the law. It's time that changed.
Trump is a great one to start with.

After Trump, anything against a democrat would be considered "retribution".
So don't expect any real change.

 

[Altfish]

You haven't understood the point, evidently.

1) Ukraine has already lost those four regions
2) In those four regions and in Crimea, people already voted for the Russian president last week.
This means they are not Ukraine any more. In Occupied Ukraine, Casting a Vote (for Putin) as Armed Soldiers Watch

They cannot vote twice, can they?
Both for the Ukrainian president and the Russian president?

Move on, guys.

So, having lost a large proportion of the country to an invader, a democratic election is a good thing?
What about those women living abroad because they are evacuated?

I must admit, I do think any talk of an election is bonkers, it'll be controlled by Putin.

 

[Laniakea]

So, having lost a large proportion of the country to an invader, a democratic election is a good thing?
What about those women living abroad because they are evacuated?

I must admit, I do think any talk of an election is bonkers, it'll be controlled by Putin.

Why couldn't they just do mail-in voting? It's supposedly more secure than any other form of voting.
Let's send Zelensky $100 billion to get it started!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why couldn't they just do mail-in voting? It's supposedly more secure than any other form of voting.
Let's send Zelensky $100 billion to get it started!

That mail in voting is secure in the US does not mean that it is secure in other countries.

 

[Laniakea]

That mail in voting is secure in the US does not mean that it is secure in other countries.

If we send them enough money, anything is possible.
It's not like we're in debt and can't afford it.