Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

[Magic Man]

Sympathy for Russia? Really? I see people of Ukraine defending and losing their lives but I don't see "the west" flocking to Ukraine to defend against Russia. I see war profiteers making billions off of arms sales for the cause and war lusting advocates cheering them on but that's about it.

I guess you missed the billions in money and equipment the West has donated to Ukraine. It's kind of a big sticking point lately for U.S. politics. Whether or not some people are making a profit off of that, it's still the west giving aid to Ukraine to defend against Russia. What a weird attempt to defend Russia...

 

[Magic Man]

Yes, it's also interesting that those who deliver shrill cries for war and scream that Ukraine should stand and defend itself to the last man are all sitting comfortably in the West, far away from the fighting.

It's also interesting that you have to use loaded terms like "shrill cries for war and scream", because it's the only way your claim even has a chance to sound convincing.

When you take that out, you end up with:

Yes, those who support Ukraine defending itself against Russian attempts to conquer it are sitting at home, not part of the fighting.

Notice how it sounds so much different?

Also, this is really dishonest. It's not a new tactic. "Oh, you think they should do X? Then why aren't you there fighting with them?"

I don't have to actually go fight to have an opinion on the war and to point out facts about it. You think they should broker peace. Why aren't you over there doing that?

 

[Magic Man]

A key difference is that I'm calling for peace - an end to the killing. My proposal saves lives, while your proposal continues the slaughter. It's true that I live in peace as I type this from behind a computer, and I wish peace for those who are currently living under the horrors of war.

We're all calling for peace. The difference is you're calling for Ukraine to surrender and for Russia to succeed. The peace we're calling for is for Russia to end its attempt at invasion and leave Ukraine alone. My proposal saves lives too, and it also doesn't allow Russia to get away with invading a sovereign country.

 

[Stevicus]

You're ignoring my post by
making it about something else,
not Russia's cost inhibiting its
predation.
More Russian sympathy.

I guess I'm just not quite so bloodthirsty as others might be.

 

[Stevicus]

You may be advocating for the end of the killing, but not for peace. Russia effectively has Ukraine down on the ground with it's knee on Ukraine's neck, and your saying "If Ukraine would just stop struggling and accept its fate, no one else needs to get killed."

Well, if you can think of another way out of the situation without more killing, I'd love to hear your ideas.

 

[Magic Man]

I guess I'm just not quite so bloodthirsty as others might be.

Then why do you support Russia?

 

[Magic Man]

Well, if you can think of another way out of the situation without more killing, I'd love to hear your ideas.

Ooo, I can! Russia can end its attempt at invasion and go back to their own country, leaving Ukraine alone.

 

[lukethethird]

I guess you missed the billions in money and equipment the West has donated to Ukraine. It's kind of a big sticking point lately for U.S. politics. Whether or not some people are making a profit off of that, it's still the west giving aid to Ukraine to defend against Russia. What a weird attempt to defend Russia...

It's OK, I've been accused of defending Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Vietnam, Sudan, Yugoslavia, Panama, Venezuela, China, and more. The rhetorical accusations are just as hollow as ever, long on opinion, short on facts, short of any knowledge of recent or past history, and so it goes.

 

[Stevicus]

Then why do you support Russia?

I don't.

 

[Magic Man]

It's OK, I've been accused of defending Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Vietnam, Sudan, Yugoslavia, Panama, Venezuela, China, and more. The rhetorical accusations are just as hollow as ever, long on opinion, short on facts, short of any knowledge of recent or past history, and so it goes.

Yes, that's a good way to sum it up. Your accusations are definitely long on opinion, short on facts and short of any knowledge of recent or any history. I'd think when one got accused of defending things so many times, one might stop and consider why that was happening.

 

[Magic Man]

I don't.

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

 

[Stevicus]

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

McCarthyite tactics do not impress me.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess I'm just not quite so bloodthirsty as others might be.

I'm not as pro Russia as others might be.

 

[Stevicus]

I'm not as pro Russia as others might be.

See post #612.

 

[Magic Man]

McCarthyite tactics do not impress me.

Cool. Not sure why you decided to post such an odd non sequitur, though.

McCarthyist tactics don't impress me either. But back to the following facts:

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

 

[Stevicus]

Cool. Not sure why you decided to post such an odd non sequitur, though.

McCarthyist tactics don't impress me either. But back to the following facts:

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

See post #612.

 

[Magic Man]

See post #612.

I saw it and replied. Now back to the following facts:

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

 

[Stevicus]

I saw it and replied. Now back to the following facts:

You're supporting them here. You've explained that they expand for defense and to create a buffer zone, and that that is understandable given how the mean old west hates them and tries to invade them. Then your solution to the war is to let Russia win. That's support for Russia.

See post #612.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Well, if you can think of another way out of the situation without more killing, I'd love to hear your ideas.

How about pressuring the Russian invaders to stop their aggressive incursion into a neighboring state and retreat back to where they came from?

 

[Stevicus]

How about pressuring the Russian invaders to stop their aggressive incursion into a neighboring state and retreat back to where they came from?

Yes, the U.S. and other Western governments have been doing exactly that. It hasn't produced the desired result, so perhaps another tack might be considered.