Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

[Estro Felino]

True..
But heres my opinion
Ukraine isn't a dictatorship.. Like the evidence is clear!
How can an Extremist, a Neo-Nazi, Western Puppet, a person using comedic propaganda, who possess little historical and general knowledge of his country in comparison to his rival (Putin) be a bad leader!
Zelensky is obviously a better leader than Putin!


(BTW this is sarcasm and for jocular reasons only..Don't take this seriously lol)

I don't need to be convinced.
So many Ukrainians flee en masse Ukraine and are welcomed as war refugees in Germany, Poland, Italy.
So I do know what they told us about a dictatorship that forces them to fight against their own brethren...
it's horrific.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't need to be convinced.
So many Ukrainians flee en masse Ukraine and are welcomed as war refugees in Germany, Poland, Italy.
So I do know what they told us about a dictatorship that forces them to fight against their own brethren...
it's horrific.

Still supporting Putin, eh.
Question....
What if the invader weren't a hyper masculine handsome
male Christian who liked being seen with beautiful women.
Would you still support the invasion?

 

[RhySantos]

I don't need to be convinced.
So many Ukrainians flee en masse Ukraine and are welcomed as war refugees in Germany, Poland, Italy.
So I do know what they told us about a dictatorship that forces them to fight against their own brethren...
it's horrific.

Just clarifying..
Are you trying to say that you have met actual Ukrainian refugees who have discussed this matter with you?
(Or have I read it wrong)

 

[RhySantos]

Still supporting Putin, eh.
Question....
What if the invader weren't a hyper masculine handsome
male Christian who liked being seen with beautiful women.
Would you still support the invasion?

Bro! were you describing me or putin


(I only lack the last quality.. I do not prefer to be seen hanging around with "women", Im only 13 lol)

 

[Estro Felino]

Still supporting Putin, eh.

Of course I am.
Why shouldn't I?
My country has been serving the US for 80 years and what did she get in return?
The destruction of Libya? The war in Syria?

You should know that the Mediterranean is our vital space, and you shouldn't destabilize, dear USA.

Question....
What if the invader weren't a hyper masculine handsome
male Christian who liked being seen with beautiful women.
Would you still support the invasion?

It's about Putin being on the right side.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bro! were you describing me or putin


(I only lack the last quality.. I do not prefer to be seen hanging around with "women", Im only 13 lol)

Our friend has expressed that her political
preference is for such men, eg, Trump.
This raises the question of whether unmanly
men would be equally entitled to act as
they do.

 

[Estro Felino]

Just clarifying..
Are you trying to say that you have met actual Ukrainian refugees who have discussed this matter with you?
(Or have I read it wrong)

Our press is filled with articles about Ukrainians fleeing that dictatorship.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's about Putin being on the right side.

Odd it is then that your posts are more
about their being handsome, virile, &
surrounded by a bevy of beauties.

Earlier posts of yours expressed opposition
to all war. Have you switched to supporting
Putin's invasion?
BTW, Russians recently lost 1700+ troops
in a single day. It's not going well for Russia.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Didn't Mussolini get voted out in 1943 by his own party? After that, the new leader of Italy surrendered.

Then reinstalled by the Nazis then finally outed with a bullet to the head, thrown into a lot where people can offer their grievances on the corpse, and finally strung up with his mistress like a shark at the dock yard.

Arrivederci Duce.

 

[Estro Felino]

Odd it is then that your posts are more
about their being handsome, virile, &
surrounded by a bevy of beauties.

Earlier posts of yours expressed opposition
to all war. Have you switched to supporting
Putin's invasion?

I am opposed to all wars.
In order to terminate this war, the US should stop giving money to Ukraine or giving weapons.
This war doesn't stop, because the elitist cabal of warmongers from USA is ordering Ukrainians to keep fighting.

So why should I blame Putin?

BTW, Russians recently lost 1700+ troops
in a single day. It's not going well for Russia.

And thousands of Ukrainians are fleeing the country.

 

[RhySantos]

Our friend has expressed that her political
preference is for such men, eg, Trump.
This raises the question of whether unmanly
men would be equally entitled to act as
they do.

Yes I have read that discussion..
But idk why it was as if you are describing me not Putin XD

 

[Estro Felino]

Then reinstalled by the Nazis then finally outed with a bullet to the head, thrown into a lot where people can offer their grievances on the corpse, and finally strung up with his mistress like a shark at the dock yard.

Arrivederci Duce.

Exactly.
That's what happens to dictators who force their people to keep fighting a pointless war, even if most people don't want to fight any more.

 

[RhySantos]

Our press is filled with articles about Ukrainians fleeing that dictatorship.

Sorry ig I misread it..
Can you explain your premise about why you support Russia.
I am open to all discussion, I would like to hear from both sides.
I do not support anyone tbh, it's because I lack knowledge about the war

 

[Estro Felino]

Sorry ig I misread it..
Can you explain your premise about why you support Russia.

Because Russia defends the economic system I defend: socialism.
That is, that anything must be controlled and monitored by the State.
And because, speaking of Ukraine, those regions are Russian-speaking regions and want to be in the Russian Federation.

Ukraine used to be in the CIS, the independent states community, now it wants to be a member of the EU.

I am open to all discussion, I would like to hear from both sides.
I do not support anyone tbh, it's because I lack knowledge about the war

That's nice. I love debate too.

 

[RhySantos]

Because Russia defends the economic system I defend: socialism.
That is, that anything must be controlled and monitored by the State.
And because, speaking of Ukraine, those regions are Russian-speaking regions and want to be in the Russian Federation.

Ukraine used to be in the CIS, the independent states community, now it wants to be a member of the EU.

That's nice. I love debate too.

Why is socialism an important ideology (according to you)?

 

[RhySantos]

I

Because Russia defends the economic system I defend: socialism.
That is, that anything must be controlled and monitored by the State.
And because, speaking of Ukraine, those regions are Russian-speaking regions and want to be in the Russian Federation.

Ukraine used to be in the CIS, the independent states community, now it wants to be a member of the EU.

That's nice. I love debate too.

Personally I am fine with the government monitoring businesses/other institutions
But if the government has complete control over these i feel that it is too extreme

 

[RhySantos]

I

Personally I am fine with the government monitoring businesses/other institutions
But if the government has complete control over these i feel that it is too extreme

But only for safety reasons

 

[Stevicus]

Then reinstalled by the Nazis then finally outed with a bullet to the head, thrown into a lot where people can offer their grievances on the corpse, and finally strung up with his mistress like a shark at the dock yard.

Arrivederci Duce.

Yes, that's what happened. Mussolini is pretty much unlikable from both sides. From an Allied point of view, he's despicable and odious for siding with Hitler. But even from an Axis point of view, it could be argued that he was more of a liability than an asset for the Axis. Hitler had to divert some of his own forces to bail out Mussolini in Greece and North Africa.

 

[Stevicus]

Because Russia defends the economic system I defend: socialism.
That is, that anything must be controlled and monitored by the State.
And because, speaking of Ukraine, those regions are Russian-speaking regions and want to be in the Russian Federation.

Ukraine used to be in the CIS, the independent states community, now it wants to be a member of the EU.

That's nice. I love debate too.

I support neither side, as I think this is really just a fight between Russia and Ukraine and need not involve anyone else. This is their fight, and no one else's. I don't believe either of them are socialist, though. Their governments have more the character and personality of gangsterism and organized crime, not genuine statecraft or statesmanship. Something fishy is going on, but it's hard to tell what's going on behind the scenes.

I never bought into the Western narrative that Putin has some kind of "Hitler complex" and that he's maniacally hellbent on world domination. That doesn't mean I support what he's doing, as I think he's wrong for launching an aggressive invasion - which is a violation of the UN charter and various treaties. On that point, he's as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl, so there's no spinning that away, regardless of the pretexts used.

I tend to support socialism (or at least a mixed economy), mainly because I support a government with a coherent set of goals and principles dedicated to the betterment of the lives of the people and the overall quality and strength of the nation as a whole. When the leaders in a given state think more in terms of their own personal wealth over the well-being of the collective whole, then they have violated the social contract and can't really be considered "socialist" by any standard.

 

[Estro Felino]

I support neither side, as I think this is really just a fight between Russia and Ukraine and need not involve anyone else. This is their fight, and no one else's. I don't believe either of them are socialist, though. Their governments have more the character and personality of gangsterism and organized crime, not genuine statecraft or statesmanship. Something fishy is going on, but it's hard to tell what's going on behind the scenes.

I never bought into the Western narrative that Putin has some kind of "Hitler complex" and that he's maniacally hellbent on world domination. That doesn't mean I support what he's doing, as I think he's wrong for launching an aggressive invasion - which is a violation of the UN charter and various treaties. On that point, he's as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl, so there's no spinning that away, regardless of the pretexts used.

I tend to support socialism (or at least a mixed economy), mainly because I support a government with a coherent set of goals and principles dedicated to the betterment of the lives of the people and the overall quality and strength of the nation as a whole. When the leaders in a given state think more in terms of their own personal wealth over the well-being of the collective whole, then they have violated the social contract and can't really be considered "socialist" by any standard.

I do support the tsar.
He is the only politician who doesn't side with Soros and his financial empire,