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Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Poor little Russia.....
- Not enuf land for it to thrive.
We call her the Third Rome.
Yes...the Universal Empire that defends Christian Europe.
- Existential threat posed by Ukraine.
Ukraine is a country colonized by the Sorosian framework.

- Being a tool wielded by China, but with Putin being none the wiser.
It was Americans who forced Russia to have China as ally.
It was during the US Sultanate era that Russia was ousted from G8, remember? ;)
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Britain had turned the Mediterranean, our vital space into a British lake.
Do you know what that means? Being vassals of the British Empire?
We have never bothered anyone since the Fall of the Roman Empire in 476 AD, we just wanted to get back what was rightfully ours.
Our plight during WW2 was 100% legitimate.

But Nazis' plans were impossible. They were insane and megalomaniac.

All the countries involved were working towards their own interests, which is why nationalism can be so destructive. Multiple nations with competing interests all pushing things as far as they can get away with...until enough is enough and someone declares war.

Italy was on the winning side in WW1, but felt like they got slighted at Versailles, as did other nations. The U.S. just wanted to make sure the Allied nations paid back what they borrowed from us. Aside from that, the U.S. took a backseat to European affairs and seemed to focus more attention on East Asia, as Japan was gaining more of a foothold.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
All the countries involved were working towards their own interests, which is why nationalism can be so destructive.
Surely. Imperialism, colonialism are awful.
But strangely Germany and Italy have understood that, and in fact German and Italian aren't spoken outside of Europe. At all.
They have renounced their colonies.

France and Britain still have colonies, which they call overseas territories.
So we have learned the lessons. They haven't.

That is why our Government is preparing a Marshall-like plan project for Africa, meant to invest in the economic development of those countries, France is surely not interested. They see Africa as colony.

With whom will the USA side? With France?

Multiple nations with competing interests all pushing things as far as they can get away with...until enough is enough and someone declares war.
I guess we have evolved. We have moved on.

 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Surely. Imperialism, colonialism are awful.
But strangely Germany and Italy have understood that, and in fact German and Italian aren't spoken outside of Europe. At all.
They have renounced their colonies.

France and Britain still have colonies, which they call overseas territories.
So we have learned the lessons. They haven't.

That is why our Government is preparing a Marshall-like plan project for Africa, meant to invest in the economic development of those countries, France is surely not interested. They see Africa as colony.

With whom will the USA side? With France?

Hard to say which direction the U.S. will take at this point. The polls are fluctuating.

I guess we have evolved. We have moved on.

That's what a lot of people were saying after WW1. They said it again after WW2. And also after the Cold War.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That's what a lot of people were saying after WW1. They said it again after WW2. And also after the Cold War.
With all due respect, Italy and Germany have been at peace for 80 years.
What about the USA?
Vietnam War....Ukrainian War.... ;)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Italy and Germany are still part of the same alliance as the USA. We're all on the same side, at least for the time being.
This doesn't mean we agree on the American approach.
We just can't stand up to our positions.

I guess it was obvious, though: Scholz saying they wouldn't send German soldiers to Ukraine, ruling that out. Followed by the Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs.
It's an elegant way to say that we are totally against the Ukrainian War. :)
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This doesn't mean we agree on the American approach.
We just can't stand up to our positions.

I guess it was obvious, though: Scholz saying they wouldn't send German soldiers to Ukraine, ruling that out. Followed by the Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs.
It's an elegant way to say that we are totally against the Ukrainian War. :)

Biden also said that we wouldn't send American soldiers to Ukraine. That could change after he's re-elected.
 

RhySantos

Member
To take pride in Christians not committing
every vicious crime is a pretty low bar.
Just to clarify
May I know some vicious crimes Christians committed in the 'name of religion'
Because I do not blame Christians for the Crusades as most of the attacks weren't initiated by Christians.
And the Colonisation of the Americas is also not bad according to me because even muslims conquered vast lands to
"Promote their religion", but the Christians colonialism in America wasn't solely to "Promote their religion"
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The U.S. still held elections even during the Civil War.
The war is not on Russian soil, so why should they not hold elections.
Invaded countries rarely hold any type of elections when invaded. And land occupied.

The UK formed a coalition government during ww2 and did not hold an election until it was over.
That did not mean that we became a dictatorship.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The war is not on Russian soil, so why should they not hold elections.
Invaded countries rarely hold any type of elections when invaded. And land occupied.

The UK formed a coalition government during ww2 and did not hold an election until it was over.
That did not mean that we became a dictatorship.

Oftentimes, countries under direct attack or occupation are placed under martial law in times of war - which effectively makes them dictatorships, even if only temporary. Even within the U.S., though we had elections, there were numerous restrictions and abridgements to civil liberties that one could reasonably argue had the feel of a dictatorship.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
Because Russia defends the economic system I defend: socialism.
When did Russia last have a socialist-leaning government? When did it last have a government that functioned as something more than a means to maintain Putin in power?
And because, speaking of Ukraine, those regions are Russian-speaking regions and want to be in the Russian Federation.
Can I ask where you got these ideas? There are not very accurate. If it needed to be confirmed (which it didn't really), a study over more than a decade way before the first invasion revealed negligible friction between primarily Russian and Ukrainian speakers, even in Crimea. The whole country, including Crimea, voted overwhelmingly to move away from Russia not long after the fall of the USSR. This was exactly the problem for Putin - Ukraine - for good reason, given the millions of Ukrainians murdered, de-humanised, deprived of the most basic human rights under soviet rule over decades - was peacefully and decisively moving itself away from Russian influence. In steps Putin to agitate and foment conflict, using local criminals and his 'little green men' to create conflict where there was none. He would have preferred to maintain a puppet government, cheaper that way for one thing, but the Ukrainian people wouldn't play along, so, as he put it in a 'hilarious' rape joke, Ukraine would have to lie back and take what came to it.
As for Italy being a liability...well...the whole plan was foolish from the start.
Conquering a gigantic country like Russia is insane.
Who is attempting to conquer Russia?

Russia is fundamentally divided between those who want to live in a thriving, economically successful nation on good terms with the developed world, and those with crude pseudo-religious notions about the 'good' of some maudlin idiot's idea of 'family values' (aka men can do whatever they want, women should enjoy whatever they get) who would rather see the whole world burn than face up to their own hypocrisy.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Of course I am.
Why shouldn't I?
My country has been serving the US for 80 years and what did she get in return?
The destruction of Libya? The war in Syria?
;)
You should know that the Mediterranean is our vital space, and you shouldn't destabilize, dear USA.

It's about Putin being on the right side.
I don't fancy Putin like you but both the US and Russia have engaged in their own thuggery around the world. It seems after WW2 both decided it their mission to "improve" the world.

Neither the West nor the East want another Hitler to rise.
 
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