Ukraine has become a dictatorship, it's official

[Estro Felino]

Yes, that's what happened. Mussolini is pretty much unlikable from both sides. From an Allied point of view, he's despicable and odious for siding with Hitler. But even from an Axis point of view, it could be argued that he was more of a liability than an asset for the Axis. Hitler had to divert some of his own forces to bail out Mussolini in Greece and North Africa.

The truth is that someone lied. Hitler? Mussolini? Or both?
They told that the war would last very few months, then the conflict expanded.
The people doesn't forgive liars.

 

[RhySantos]

I support neither side, as I think this is really just a fight between Russia and Ukraine and need not involve anyone else. This is their fight, and no one else's. I don't believe either of them are socialist, though. Their governments have more the character and personality of gangsterism and organized crime, not genuine statecraft or statesmanship. Something fishy is going on, but it's hard to tell what's going on behind the scenes.

I never bought into the Western narrative that Putin has some kind of "Hitler complex" and that he's maniacally hellbent on world domination. That doesn't mean I support what he's doing, as I think he's wrong for launching an aggressive invasion - which is a violation of the UN charter and various treaties. On that point, he's as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl, so there's no spinning that away, regardless of the pretexts used.

I tend to support socialism (or at least a mixed economy), mainly because I support a government with a coherent set of goals and principles dedicated to the betterment of the lives of the people and the overall quality and strength of the nation as a whole. When the leaders in a given state think more in terms of their own personal wealth over the well-being of the collective whole, then they have violated the social contract and can't really be considered "socialist" by any standard.

I too, generally don't like"taking sides"
But I like understanding politics in general, and like to view both opinions

 

[Estro Felino]

Why is socialism an important ideology (according to you)?

Because we live in a banking dictatorship...and governments are slaves to banks.
It's something devilish.
The banks should obey the State, not the other way around.

 

[RhySantos]

Because we live in a banking dictatorship...and governments are slaves to banks.
It's something devilish.
The banks should obey the State, not the other way around.

That also is true..
But I feel like that should only be done for banks and government institutions, But
other institutions should just be monitored for security purposes by the state.

 

[RhySantos]

Because we live in a banking dictatorship...and governments are slaves to banks.
It's something devilish.
The banks should obey the State, not the other way around.

But your point about banks overpowering governments is very valid on my perspective

 

[Stevicus]

I do support the tsar.
He is the only politician who doesn't side with Soros and his financial empire,

Putin is no Tsar. He's not even Stalin. He's more of a bad remake of Khrushchev.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, that's what happened. Mussolini is pretty much unlikable from both sides. From an Allied point of view, he's despicable and odious for siding with Hitler. But even from an Axis point of view, it could be argued that he was more of a liability than an asset for the Axis. Hitler had to divert some of his own forces to bail out Mussolini in Greece and North Africa.

As for Italy being a liability...well...the whole plan was foolish from the start.
Conquering a gigantic country like Russia is insane.

 

[RhySantos]

As for Italy being a liability...well...the whole plan was foolish from the start.
Conquering a gigantic country like Russia is insane.

Even though hitler had to divert his attention to Greece you can't discredit Moosilini.. Like cmon he revived fascism, even though I don't support it, in an axis perspective, the main reason Hitler's army was so loyal to him was because of the fascist beliefs in Germany.

I wouldn't call the Russian invasion fully insane, but it was slightly ambitious..
The only reason russia won was because they had huge quantity of troops

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin is no Tsar. He's not even Stalin. He's more of a bad remake of Khrushchev.

Putin believes in spiritual ideals, as the ancient tsars used to.

He wants to liberate every country of the world from the elitist cabals, from the banking cabals that oppress peoples.

Did you know that France still controls the seigniorage of ca. 13 African countries?
And did you know that Gaddafi wanted to free these 13 countries from the French yoke?

But what Gaddafi failed to do, because he was killed, it will be Putin who will do it.

And I side with Putin and the liberation of the Africa.

Besides, are you sure that by siding with an oppressive colonialist power like France, is being on the right side of history?

 

[Stevicus]

The truth is that someone lied. Hitler? Mussolini? Or both?
They told that the war would last very few months, then the conflict expanded.
The people doesn't forgive liars.

They probably lied to themselves as well as everyone else. If you look at their production capacity, their populations, their accessibility to vital resources (particularly oil, the lifeblood of a mechanized military), the Axis was doomed from the very beginning. The Allies had them completely outnumbered and outgunned. The Axis' early successes were mainly the result of Allied myopia and numerous instances of bumbling incompetence. That's why the war took so long.

I will give the Italians credit for realizing that the war was lost, which led to them removing Mussolini and suing for peace. It should have also been rather plain to the Germans that their days were numbered and that they weren't going to prevail, but Hitler also knew that if he loses the war, he loses his life. Nobody could talk sense to him, and no one could even say that the war was lost or give any true account of their real situation. It was probably at the point where everyone in the regime had to lie to save their own necks, since Hitler didn't want to hear the truth.

That may be why the whole saga of "Hitler in the bunker" is fascinating to people, as his empire is literally falling down around him while he sits in a hole in the ground, still believing that some miracle will reverse everything. It's like being on the Titanic, neck deep in water, while screaming that "the ship is not sinking!"

 

[Stevicus]

I too, generally don't like"taking sides"
But I like understanding politics in general, and like to view both opinions

Me too. I've had an interest in the politics of Russia going back to the Cold War. I wanted to learn more about their position and how they looked at the world. I didn't necessarily agree with their view, but I also didn't see them as the comic book "supervillain" that the Western politicians and pundits often portrayed them as.

 

[RhySantos]

Me too. I've had an interest in the politics of Russia going back to the Cold War. I wanted to learn more about their position and how they looked at the world. I didn't necessarily agree with their view, but I also didn't see them as the comic book "supervillain" that the Western politicians and pundits often portrayed them as.

No country can me considered bad or good in my perspective
A little historical story that I remember..
Abraham Lincoln's wife was speaking I'll about the South (CSA)
Abraham Lincoln replied:
"Do not speak I'll of them, if we faced similar circumstances as them we too would have been like the south."

Because each person has valid points and when it comes to politics..
Even the most perfect government will always have some dirty politics behind the scenes.

 

[RhySantos]

Putin believes in spiritual ideals, as the ancient tsars used to.

He wants to liberate every country of the world from the elitist cabals, from the banking cabals that oppress peoples.

Did you know that France still controls the seigniorage of ca. 13 African countries?
And did you know that Gaddafi wanted to free these 13 countries from the French yoke?

But what Gaddafi failed to do, because he was killed, it will be Putin who will do it.

And I side with Putin and the liberation of the Africa.

Besides, are you sure that by siding with an oppressive colonialist power like France, is being on the right side of history?

France has 14 African colonies to be exact.. I wrote a thread about this.

 

[Stevicus]

As for Italy being a liability...well...the whole plan was foolish from the start.
Conquering a gigantic country like Russia is insane.

It really all goes back to WW1 and the kind of intrigue and financial squabbling which took place in the years following.

I've read a lot of different viewpoints on the German invasion of Russia. Hitler probably remembered the situation that occurred on the Eastern Front in WW1, when the Germans mostly defeated the Russians and made huge penetrations into Russian territory. They ultimately had to give it up when they were finally defeated, but Hitler probably thought they were weak and that Germany would have an easy victory. There was also the matter of Germany's precarious oil situation, and the need for oil was growing urgent at that point.

 

[RhySantos]

Putin believes in spiritual ideals, as the ancient tsars used to.

He wants to liberate every country of the world from the elitist cabals, from the banking cabals that oppress peoples.

Did you know that France still controls the seigniorage of ca. 13 African countries?
And did you know that Gaddafi wanted to free these 13 countries from the French yoke?

But what Gaddafi failed to do, because he was killed, it will be Putin who will do it.

And I side with Putin and the liberation of the Africa.

Besides, are you sure that by siding with an oppressive colonialist power like France, is being on the right side of history?

The globalisation of mankind.. Is sadly inevitable. I see the point you are making, But when one ambitious globalist/elite dies new one's will come.
We cannot take the elites down because obviously.. The government is on their side.
So I see the point you are making..
But oppression will continue forever and Karl Marx's idea is sadly delusional.. There will always be hierarchy.

This may sound very dystopian and pessimistic,
Because to me it is..
Man's inner want for power and greed is unstoppable and if you take it away.. It will be against the right of expression which is also a socialist belief

 

[RhySantos]

It really all goes back to WW1 and the kind of intrigue and financial squabbling which took place in the years following.

I've read a lot of different viewpoints on the German invasion of Russia. Hitler probably remembered the situation that occurred on the Eastern Front in WW1, when the Germans mostly defeated the Russians and made huge penetrations into Russian territory. They ultimately had to give it up when they were finally defeated, but Hitler probably thought they were weak and that Germany would have an easy victory. There was also the matter of Germany's precarious oil situation, and the need for oil was growing urgent at that point.

That is a good point to note

 

[Estro Felino]

It really all goes back to WW1 and the kind of intrigue and financial squabbling which took place in the years following.

I've read a lot of different viewpoints on the German invasion of Russia. Hitler probably remembered the situation that occurred on the Eastern Front in WW1, when the Germans mostly defeated the Russians and made huge penetrations into Russian territory. They ultimately had to give it up when they were finally defeated, but Hitler probably thought they were weak and that Germany would have an easy victory. There was also the matter of Germany's precarious oil situation, and the need for oil was growing urgent at that point.

Britain had turned the Mediterranean, our vital space into a British lake.
Do you know what that means? Being vassals of the British Empire?
We have never bothered anyone since the Fall of the Roman Empire in 476 AD, we just wanted to get back what was rightfully ours.
Our plight during WW2 was 100% legitimate.

But Nazis' plans were impossible. They were insane and megalomaniac.

 

[Stevicus]

Putin believes in spiritual ideals, as the ancient tsars used to.

I'm not even sure if the ancient Tsars really believed in those ideals either. Although there was a great deal of intrigue and rumor surrounding the Romanovs and Rasputin, who was some kind of monk or holy man who the Tsaritsa believed to have mystical powers. Brought down a 300-year dynasty and led to the Bolsheviks taking over and the establishment of the Soviet Union.

He wants to liberate every country of the world from the elitist cabals, from the banking cabals that oppress peoples.

He does? Imperial Russia never wanted to do that.

Did you know that France still controls the seigniorage of ca. 13 African countries?
And did you know that Gaddafi wanted to free these 13 countries from the French yoke?

But what Gaddafi failed to do, because he was killed, it will be Putin who will do it.

And I side with Putin and the liberation of the Africa.

Besides, are you sure that by siding with an oppressive colonialist power like France, is being on the right side of history?

French influence in Africa may be waning, as is Western influence in general, world-wide. America has been allied with France and Britain for a long time. We've had some squabbles in the past, and we still have disagreements from time to time.

Ultimately, whether we're on the right side or the wrong side of history - that will depend on who's writing it. I think historians in the future will look at this period as "The Insane Era."

 

[Revoltingest]

I am opposed to all wars.
In order to terminate this war, the US should stop giving money to Ukraine or giving weapons.

So that Russian can win.
And move on to it's next target.

Do you ever dream of Hitler's return?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes I have read that discussion..
But idk why it was as if you are describing me not Putin XD

I'm often confused.
You're my dentist...right?