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UN peace plan
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greatcalgarian
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kai said:
Hezbollah was born not to destroy Israel. It was there to claim back all soverien land of lebanon, and to get back all Lebanese kidnapped by Israel.
If Israel returned all prisoners, and withdraw completely from Lebanon (inclusing the Shebba farm), then there is no need for Hesbollah to have arm, if the UN peacekeeping force is patrolling the boundary preventing both side to come into contact.
kai
ragamuffin
if hezbollah was born to claim back the sovereign land of Lebanon why weren't they fighting Syrian occupying forces and diplomatic channels by the Lebanese government are the best way to get prisoners released, israel would leave the sheeba farm area if there was no hezbollah, it only occupies it as a left over from the Syrian invasion of Israel wich it repulsed.greatcalgarian said:
Jon
Member
Hizbullah will never give up it's wepons.
They are controled from Iran, and Iran wants Israel wiped off the face of the map.
That's why Condi Rice and the states want "A New Mid-East"
I hope they get it.
If Islam is a religion of peace why does Iran want to kill Jews?
Iran is using Lebanese territory as a frontline zone for an assault on
northern Israel.
The terrorist organization of Hizbullah, which began this conflict with a
completely unprovoked act of aggression, the kidnapping of two Israeli
soldiers, is only part of the problem.
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the fanatical Shiite regime in
Tehran have created a mini-state in southern Lebanon.
Hizbullah's attack on Israel was given a green light in Tehran because
Iran's official ideology, based on a fundamentalist Shiite theology, calls
for the wiping out of Israel and a wave of attacks designed to establish
global dominance of Shiite Islam.
"Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution has arisen and
the Islamic revolution of 1384 (2005) will, if God wills, cut off the roots
of injustice in the world, The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon
reach the entire world," Ahmadinejad declared last year, six days after
being appointed president of Iran, as rockets continued to flow into
southern Lebanon.
Hizbullah controlled by Tehran
Ahmadinejad sincerely believes that his role on earth is to herald in a
period of apocalyptic warfare to annihilate non-Shiite Muslims, and usher in
the "return" of the twelfth imam, signaling the end of time and supreme rule
of Shiite Islam.
The Shiite southern Lebanese Hizbullah state, the Iranian proxy entity, is
being armed, funded, and controlled by Tehran via remote control, to
directly serve this end.
This is why a high number of Arab heads of state, from Egypt through to
Saudi Arabia, have blasted the Hizbullah Iranian axis of aggression
against Israel. Sunni Saudi Arabia, no great friend of Israel, is frightened
by Iran's attempted takeover of the region.
Meanwhile, like a virus, the Shiite Hizbullah state is draining its host,
Lebanon, of stability, security, and sovereignty.
Using human shields
Since Israel evacuated southern Lebanon six years ago, an act of good faith
made by a hopeful neighbor striving for peace and respected international
borders, Iran has sent in its Quds (Jerusalem) Force of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard Corps to provide Hizbullah with tens of thousands of
rockets, missiles, and automatic weapons.
The Iranians and Hizbullah have spent over half a decade preparing for this
war, and any illusion that it suddenly began out of the blue is a testament
to the success of Iran's ability to keep its activities quiet.
As Iran prepares the region for its "Islamic revolution," its regional arm,
Hizbullah, kidnapped Israeli soldiers, and has also taken hostage hundreds
of thousands of Lebanese civilians - human shields being held against their
will.
One of Hizbullah's most powerful weapons is the use of human shields. By
hiding its soldiers and armaments among civilians in Lebanon, the
organization can slow down the Israeli response and manipulate world
opinion.
Reports from Lebanon that gun battles have broken out between southern
Lebanese villagers trying to leave their villages, and Hizbullah gunmen who
have trapped them with roadblocks, are therefore unsurprising.
Threat to global security
The Israeli people know that they are fighting a war against an irrational
and belligerent Islamist alliance bent on destroying them and wreaking havoc
in the world. Israel will never tolerate a cross-border attack on its
sovereignty after withdrawing to its internationally recognized borders.
If the world is interested in peace, stability, and the right of the Israeli
people to live safely, not to mention Lebanon's viablity as a sovereign
nation-state, it should offer Israel unconditional support in its struggle
against Hizbullah, and take a clear stand against Hassan Nasrallah's puppet
masters in Tehran.
If, on the other hand, world leaders and the foreign media prefer to be
duped by Hizbullah's dirty tactics, and condemn Israel for its war of
self-defense, they will be aiding a growing and serious threat to global
security, which other nations will also have to face not much further down
the road.
They are controled from Iran, and Iran wants Israel wiped off the face of the map.
That's why Condi Rice and the states want "A New Mid-East"
I hope they get it.
If Islam is a religion of peace why does Iran want to kill Jews?
Iran is using Lebanese territory as a frontline zone for an assault on
northern Israel.
The terrorist organization of Hizbullah, which began this conflict with a
completely unprovoked act of aggression, the kidnapping of two Israeli
soldiers, is only part of the problem.
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the fanatical Shiite regime in
Tehran have created a mini-state in southern Lebanon.
Hizbullah's attack on Israel was given a green light in Tehran because
Iran's official ideology, based on a fundamentalist Shiite theology, calls
for the wiping out of Israel and a wave of attacks designed to establish
global dominance of Shiite Islam.
"Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution has arisen and
the Islamic revolution of 1384 (2005) will, if God wills, cut off the roots
of injustice in the world, The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon
reach the entire world," Ahmadinejad declared last year, six days after
being appointed president of Iran, as rockets continued to flow into
southern Lebanon.
Hizbullah controlled by Tehran
Ahmadinejad sincerely believes that his role on earth is to herald in a
period of apocalyptic warfare to annihilate non-Shiite Muslims, and usher in
the "return" of the twelfth imam, signaling the end of time and supreme rule
of Shiite Islam.
The Shiite southern Lebanese Hizbullah state, the Iranian proxy entity, is
being armed, funded, and controlled by Tehran via remote control, to
directly serve this end.
This is why a high number of Arab heads of state, from Egypt through to
Saudi Arabia, have blasted the Hizbullah Iranian axis of aggression
against Israel. Sunni Saudi Arabia, no great friend of Israel, is frightened
by Iran's attempted takeover of the region.
Meanwhile, like a virus, the Shiite Hizbullah state is draining its host,
Lebanon, of stability, security, and sovereignty.
Using human shields
Since Israel evacuated southern Lebanon six years ago, an act of good faith
made by a hopeful neighbor striving for peace and respected international
borders, Iran has sent in its Quds (Jerusalem) Force of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard Corps to provide Hizbullah with tens of thousands of
rockets, missiles, and automatic weapons.
The Iranians and Hizbullah have spent over half a decade preparing for this
war, and any illusion that it suddenly began out of the blue is a testament
to the success of Iran's ability to keep its activities quiet.
As Iran prepares the region for its "Islamic revolution," its regional arm,
Hizbullah, kidnapped Israeli soldiers, and has also taken hostage hundreds
of thousands of Lebanese civilians - human shields being held against their
will.
One of Hizbullah's most powerful weapons is the use of human shields. By
hiding its soldiers and armaments among civilians in Lebanon, the
organization can slow down the Israeli response and manipulate world
opinion.
Reports from Lebanon that gun battles have broken out between southern
Lebanese villagers trying to leave their villages, and Hizbullah gunmen who
have trapped them with roadblocks, are therefore unsurprising.
Threat to global security
The Israeli people know that they are fighting a war against an irrational
and belligerent Islamist alliance bent on destroying them and wreaking havoc
in the world. Israel will never tolerate a cross-border attack on its
sovereignty after withdrawing to its internationally recognized borders.
If the world is interested in peace, stability, and the right of the Israeli
people to live safely, not to mention Lebanon's viablity as a sovereign
nation-state, it should offer Israel unconditional support in its struggle
against Hizbullah, and take a clear stand against Hassan Nasrallah's puppet
masters in Tehran.
If, on the other hand, world leaders and the foreign media prefer to be
duped by Hizbullah's dirty tactics, and condemn Israel for its war of
self-defense, they will be aiding a growing and serious threat to global
security, which other nations will also have to face not much further down
the road.
greatcalgarian said:
Ah, so a solution to the problem would be the total removal of every Jew from Israel, which I presume Hezbollah refuse to accept as a Country.
One of your colleagues mentioned in another thread that the reason for the actual need for Hezbollah was purely because of the establishment of the State of Israel. Yet, hezbollah is entrenched in Government now; it seems strange to think that an organisation whose sole existence is to protect the Lebanon should be part of the Governing authorities.
I take it that Hezbollah would be totally disbanded should a satisfactory peace be negotiated with Israel, and that they would relinquish any political ties?
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
c0da said:
You have no right to detain another nation citizen, according to international law. If they have broken the law while in your country, charge them in court. If they have committed war crime, charge them. If they are simply soldiers in the conflict, after the settlement of the conflict, you have to release all of them.
I am not sure those held by Israeli are guilty of what crime?
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
Where did I suggest the solution is the total removal of every Jew from Israel? Whether Hezbollah accept Israel as a country or not does not come into the peace deal. The peace deal is that UN is going in to control a zone, so that there will be no fighting between Israel and Lebanon. The ideal case is that, if Hesbellah fire a single rocket over the head of UN, UN force will blast Lebanon with ten rockets. If Israel lauch a missle across towards Lebanon, UN will launch 10 missles into Israel. UN has to be arm with teeth to ensure both side obey the peace deal.michel said:
What is going to happen to Hezbellah in Lebanon is the country internal matter, they can sort that out themselves.
c0da
Active Member
I don't know what the crime is, I am only saying that the IDF will have captured some of them because they are some sort of threat to Israel. I don't doubt for one moment that there are a small number of innocents being wrongly held, but I think it would be unfair to assume that Israel is keeping a lot of them for no reason whatsoever.
Also, you said that "after the settlement of the conflict, you have to release them" - but going off Hezballah intelligence, the conflict did not end in 2000 with the Israeli withdrawal, because Hezballah accused Israel of remaining on Lebanese lands after this (ie. The Sheba'a Farms). So by Hezballah's own definition, and the definitions of some of this forum's members from what I can tell, the conflict was not settled in 2000, thus making the detaining of the soldiers legitimate.
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
kai said:
I am not sure what you meant by fighting Syrian occupying forces. Lebanon is too weak to fight off Syrian. But Lebanon has finally achieved the withdrawal of all Syrian forces due to a stroke of luck, the sacrificial murdering of the ex primier.
Hezbellah has no power stake to negotiate with Israel to get the release of the kidnapped Lebanese. Israel will not even leave the Sheeba farm (not sure for whatever reason, as I think it is not really of very important military strategic location that Israel need to stay there.
I do not copy your last sentence argument.:help:
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
'War not ended'
On Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel on Saturday, Sheikh Nasrallah said the UN resolution was "unfair" in holding his group responsible for the fighting.
Sheikh Nasrallah said the UN resolution was "unjust"
But he said: "We will not be an obstacle to any decision taken by the Lebanese government," adding that Hezbollah would continue to resist Israel's presence in Lebanon.
Sheikh Nasrallah also said Hezbollah would co-operate with the deployment of UN and Lebanese troops in the south.
More than 1,000 Lebanese and more than 120 Israelis have been killed in the conflict since Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers on 12 July in a cross-border raid. UN Security Council resolution 1701 says Hezbollah must end attacks on Israel while Israel must end "offensive military operations" in Lebanese territory.
Hesbollah has no fighter in the soil of Israel, so end attacks is simply stop firing rocket into Israel. But does that statement include end attacks on Israeli soldiers in the Lebanon soil? Or all Israel IDF will be withdrawn completely?
The for the Israel end "offensive military operations", how about defensive military operations? Who is to define what is considered as offensive and what is to be considered as defensive?
Nay, this UN resolution is just an attempt to save Israel from an insolvable situation, helping Israel to end the conflict with 'honor'
Whatever the aim and motive of this resolution. I am very very happy that at least, on paper, we should see a temporary end to the suffering of the south Lebonese people, no more (hopefully) unnecessary deaths on both side of the conflict. Isyaalh, thank God.
On Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel on Saturday, Sheikh Nasrallah said the UN resolution was "unfair" in holding his group responsible for the fighting.
But he said: "We will not be an obstacle to any decision taken by the Lebanese government," adding that Hezbollah would continue to resist Israel's presence in Lebanon.
Sheikh Nasrallah also said Hezbollah would co-operate with the deployment of UN and Lebanese troops in the south.
More than 1,000 Lebanese and more than 120 Israelis have been killed in the conflict since Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers on 12 July in a cross-border raid. UN Security Council resolution 1701 says Hezbollah must end attacks on Israel while Israel must end "offensive military operations" in Lebanese territory.
Hesbollah has no fighter in the soil of Israel, so end attacks is simply stop firing rocket into Israel. But does that statement include end attacks on Israeli soldiers in the Lebanon soil? Or all Israel IDF will be withdrawn completely?
The for the Israel end "offensive military operations", how about defensive military operations? Who is to define what is considered as offensive and what is to be considered as defensive?
Nay, this UN resolution is just an attempt to save Israel from an insolvable situation, helping Israel to end the conflict with 'honor'
Whatever the aim and motive of this resolution. I am very very happy that at least, on paper, we should see a temporary end to the suffering of the south Lebonese people, no more (hopefully) unnecessary deaths on both side of the conflict. Isyaalh, thank God.
Ody
Well-Known Member
do you think Hezbollah will dissarm to the UN forces?
Hell no, not when they are led by such a Jew hater.
and if they do and cease all attacks on Israel , that would be the end of Hezbollah militarily, so whats been the point of all this?
What would be the point? I have no idea, resignation and defeat controlling thier minds?
That's what those shmucks need.
Hell no, not when they are led by such a Jew hater.
and if they do and cease all attacks on Israel , that would be the end of Hezbollah militarily, so whats been the point of all this?
What would be the point? I have no idea, resignation and defeat controlling thier minds?
That's what those shmucks need.