DeepShadow
White Crow
So you think that all truth is empirical or objective?
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Undercover atheists in LDS Church
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So you think that all truth is empirical or objective?
waitasec
Veteran Member
DeepShadow
White Crow
Subjective truth isn't empirical? How can it be truth, then?
waitasec
Veteran Member
because it's subjective truth...
DeepShadow
White Crow
But you just said truth is empirical, and that subjective truth isn't empirical.
waitasec
Veteran Member
thats right...
what is the problem?
is it an empirical truth one cannot run through a brick wall?
try it...
isn't belief without evidence subjective?
DeepShadow
White Crow
Of course. The problem is that by your definitions, "subjective truth" is a contradiction in terms. You say all truth is empirical, therefore there can be no such thing as subjective truth.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i never said all truth is empirical truth...
you know the difference between empirical and subjective
those words only describe the truth for which you are meaning.
DeepShadow
White Crow
DeepShadow
White Crow
Here again you say that "truth" means "objective truth."
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes and?
I think it's obvious that Ross and Carrie did lie in their interview. They said that they would fpllow "Gospel teachings" for the rest of their, which they understood to include things that they had no intention of doing.
The only possible qualifier I might give to that is that, as they explained in the show, they were apparently told by the missionaries that once baptized, God would provide them with the means by which they could keep their promises. That might allow an interpretation of their intent as something like "we're going to be as truthful as our missionaries were to us."
The only possible qualifier I might give to that is that, as they explained in the show, they were apparently told by the missionaries that once baptized, God would provide them with the means by which they could keep their promises. That might allow an interpretation of their intent as something like "we're going to be as truthful as our missionaries were to us."
waitasec
Veteran Member
objective truth is empirical
subjective truth isn't empirical...
that is my definition of truth.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
The bottom line for me is that the only people they have put in some precarious position is themselves. From whom much is given much is expected, these people can never claim any degree of ignorance - they have received what they have received and the circumstances are not relevant, therefore they will be held accountable for what they do with what they have been given, same as we all will. Placing oneself under the hammer of judgment with no intention of treating it wisely is the act of a consummate fool.
waitasec
Veteran Member
DeepShadow
White Crow
I have no problem understanding it. I have a problem accepting it. Where did you get this definition from? Why will you accept no other definitions?
You can't just pull a definition out of thin air and hold someone to it.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Maybe he would have. It didn't look to me as if they gave Him much of a chance.
Well, we know Ross and Carrie lied. We really don't know that the missionaries did.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
who's asking you to accept it?
i hope your kidding...
what do you mean? the definition of empirical is:
: originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>
2
: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory <an empirical basis for the theory>
3
: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment <empirical laws>
4
: of or relating to empiricism
Empirical - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
because i can't accept things by face value...
i didn't.
subjective
a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : phenomenal — compare objective 1b
b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
a (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : personal <subjective judgments> (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background <a subjective account of the incident>
c : arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes <a subjective symptom of disease> — compare objective 1c
Subjective - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
which would explain the many many true churches...
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
It's obvious that Ross and Carrie lied. Thankfully most people agree. 
They did declare in the Sikh podcast, with some disappointment, that it wasn't as weird as they were hoping. To me, this says they're in for controversy. The fact they label according to 'danger', and such, says they're not going to learn but to be childish and rude.
What's amazed me is some people think there's nothing wrong with being deliberately deceitful and dishonest, and how others think they have done something good.
They did declare in the Sikh podcast, with some disappointment, that it wasn't as weird as they were hoping. To me, this says they're in for controversy. The fact they label according to 'danger', and such, says they're not going to learn but to be childish and rude.
What's amazed me is some people think there's nothing wrong with being deliberately deceitful and dishonest, and how others think they have done something good.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i don't remember that... but i will check back with you on that.It's obvious that Ross and Carrie lied. Thankfully most people agree.
They did declare in the Sikh podcast, with some disappointment, that it wasn't as weird as they were hoping. To me, this says they're in for controversy. The fact they label according to 'danger', and such, says they're not going to learn but to be childish and rude.
What's amazed me is some people think there's nothing wrong with being deliberately deceitful and dishonest, and how others think they have done something good.
have you ever heard of the TV show, "what would you do?" or "smile, you're on candid camera"
these are deceptive ploys made in order to see what individuals would do in a given situation set up by the TV creators...is that immoral?
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