Understanding Hell

[HoldemDB9]

And I have shown you the %'s that prove you are wrong. Do you love God? Yes or No. Two options that gives everyone on the planet a 50% chance to get the answer right. If someone has not explored the idea of another religion during life what can you do about it? Its up to that individual to explore that option and find the truth they are happy with. And if for some reason they are forced against their will to not explore it, it will not be held against them.

Oh wow, I cant make this any simpler, I don't believe anyone is this stupid, I just think that you're being dishonest now.

read slowly...

If everyone in India had the same chance of becoming Christian as everyone in the USA, then there would be the same percentage of Christians in India as there is in the USA.

There is not the same percentage of Christians in India as in the USA. Which means only one of two options, that either not all get an equal chance or that they did all get an equal chance, but it is just a coincidence that things turned out the way they did.

Now which is it - Do all not get an equal chance or is it just a coincidence?

As to getting into the kingdom. That is determined by how you lived your life. If you was a decent person who lived fairly honest life then you have a better chance than people who like to rape/murder/steal etc. I cannot say for 100% sure that a person who lived a sinful life will automatically go to hell because it is a sin in itself for me to judge anyone and say that they are going to heaven or hell. But there are ways to increase your odds and that is by how you live your life and treat others around you.

Can non-Christians get into the kingdom if they lived good lives?

 

[HoldemDB9]

And I have shown you the %'s that prove you are wrong. Do you love God? Yes or No. Two options that gives everyone on the planet a 50% chance to get the answer right.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about when it comes to percentages and odds. You've just said that there is a 50% chance that someone will become Christian, LOL. You've just said that 50% of the earth is Christian, LOL. And yet you say this proves me wrong...

 

[Enoch07]

Oh wow, I cant make this any simpler, I don't believe anyone is this stupid, I just think that you're being dishonest now.

read slowly...

If everyone in India had the same chance of becoming Christian as everyone in the USA, then there would be the same percentage of Christians in India as there is in the USA.

There is not the same percentage of Christians in India as in the USA. Which means only one of two options, that either not all get an equal chance or that they did all get an equal chance, but it is just a coincidence that things turned out the way they did.

Now which is it - Do all not get an equal chance or is it just a coincidence?



Can non-Christians get into the kingdom if they lived good lives?

Just because the %'s of people being a particular religion are different per culture does not mean that their chance to convert is any different. You are trying to say that just because they are currently Buddhist that they will always be Buddhist which is impossible to say. They have an equal chance, because they could decide to convert anytime they feel the need to. And they will always have that option open to them until death. I find it funny you keep answering your own questions at the end of your statements yet you fail to see it.

As for non-christians getting into the kingdom I cannot say for sure one way or the other, that is up to God and only God.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Just because the %'s of people being a particular religion are different per culture does not mean that their chance to convert is any different. You are trying to say that just because they are currently Buddhist that they will always be Buddhist which is impossible to say. They have an equal chance, because they could decide to convert anytime they feel the need to. And they will always have that option open to them until death. I find it funny you keep answering your own questions at the end of your statements yet you fail to see it.

I honestly find it scary that people actually deny this sort of stuff when the facts are right there in front of them. Do you realize how stupid you look? A baby born in America has a better chance by the end of its life of becoming Christian than a baby born in India. If you disagree with this then you are saying that it is just a rare coincidence that this is not the case. I'm not a mathematician, but I think the odds would be trillions and trillions to one.

They have an equal chance, because they could decide to convert anytime they feel the need to

Like I've said, and Id expect a 9 year old to understand this: Just because the chance is possible does not mean it is equal!

Now what don't you understand about this? Honestly, you cannot be this stupid. Why do you keep saying that because its possible to become Christian, its an equal chance. The percentages say that not all get an equal chance to become Christian in this life. Are you refusing to accept this fact?

Now which is it, and please answer - Do all not get an equal chance or is it just a coincidence?

 

[Enoch07]

Yes all get an equal chance. Just so happens that 95% of hindus become buddhist. Wow shocker. They still have the choice regardless. They still have the same odds of converting as any other race/religion. Either they will or they will not. Which is 50%. Just because the odds are 50% does not mean that 50% will be Christian. Could be 100% could be .1% in the end nobody knows, but everyone has that choice regardless.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Yes all get an equal chance. Just so happens that 95% of hindus become buddhist. Wow shocker. They still have the choice regardless. They still have the same odds of converting as any other race/religion. Either they will or the will not. Which is 50%. Just because the odds are 50% does not mean that 50% will be Christian. Could be 100% could be .1% in the end nobody knows, but everyone has that choice regardless.

Math lessons

Calculation of Percentage
Percentage
http://www.public.coe.edu/~gcross/chance/intr/intr-41.html

 

[Beaudreaux]

I wont budge on the equal stance. Everyone has two choices. Love God or Dont. 50% either way. Cant get any more fair than that as far as here on earth.

Exactly! Some other examples of this thinking:

• You can either choose to work in the pornography industry or you can choose not to. Thus everyone has a 50/50 chance of being in porn.
• You can either choose to volunteer to help the poor in Ethiopia or you can choose not to. Plainly everyone on earth has a 50/50 chance of ending up in Ethiopia helping the poor.
• There are hundreds of religions out there and each one of them has a 50% chance of being the one you decide on. The graph looks something like this.

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

Exactly! Some other examples of this thinking:

• You can either choose to work in the pornography industry or you can choose not to. Thus everyone has a 50/50 chance of being in porn.
• You can either choose to volunteer to help the poor in Ethiopia or you can choose not to. Plainly everyone on earth has a 50/50 chance of ending up in Ethiopia helping the poor.
• There are hundreds of religions out there and each one of them has a 50% chance of being the one you decide on. The graph looks something like this.

That's beautiful! :clap

I would add that the fact that though it does happen that someone convert from their culture's prevalent religion to another religion, it is the exception and not the rule. Explain the rule.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Yes all get an equal chance. Just so happens that 95% of hindus become buddhist. Wow shocker. They still have the choice regardless. They still have the same odds of converting as any other race/religion. Either they will or they will not. Which is 50%. Just because the odds are 50% does not mean that 50% will be Christian. Could be 100% could be .1% in the end nobody knows, but everyone has that choice regardless.

You know I think you're right. Hey! Just for fun, let's do a little betting. I'll pick some infants in india and lay even money against you, say $100/child, that they won't become Christians. Let's prove your point once and for all.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Well well well, the beginning of this forum was to describe what the bible actually teaches about hell. For many years the church has misunderstood it, and of course just like man always does taken advantage of the fact they could scare people in to church. The thread as usualhas morphed into a new organic creature. The fact still remains according to my reading of the bible that hell is not a place of terment that last forever and ever. There are verses tht indicate this wil lhappen, but when compared to the rest of scriptures, this idea won't stand up.

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

Well well well, the beginning of this forum was to describe what the bible actually teaches about hell. For many years the church has misunderstood it, and of course just like man always does taken advantage of the fact they could scare people in to church. The thread as usualhas morphed into a new organic creature. The fact still remains according to my reading of the bible that hell is not a place of terment that last forever and ever. There are verses tht indicate this wil lhappen, but when compared to the rest of scriptures, this idea won't stand up.

It's ok, threads wander where they wander. Don't take it personally! It's a good thread nevertheless.

 

[Enoch07]

Exactly! Some other examples of this thinking:

• You can either choose to work in the pornography industry or you can choose not to. Thus everyone has a 50/50 chance of being in porn.
• You can either choose to volunteer to help the poor in Ethiopia or you can choose not to. Plainly everyone on earth has a 50/50 chance of ending up in Ethiopia helping the poor.
• There are hundreds of religions out there and each one of them has a 50% chance of being the one you decide on. The graph looks something like this.

Your right. Life is complex, and it doesn't always fit into a math formula. Thanks. But it doesn't change the fact you still have the choice, just like any other human being on the planet.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Your right. Life is complex, and it doesn't always fit into a math formula. Thanks. But it doesn't change the fact you still have the choice, just like any other human being on the planet.

What about human beings on the planet who do not know about God? Do they have a choice?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

What about human beings on the planet who do not know about God? Do they have a choice?

Of course not

 

[Enoch07]

What about human beings on the planet who do not know about God? Do they have a choice?

An exception is made for them. As with tribal races that still live isolated far from civilization. They are taught in the afterlife but before judgment, to give them that choice.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Of course not

So...they go to hell?

 

[Beaudreaux]

An exception is made for them. As with tribal races that still live isolated far from civilization. They are taught in the afterlife but before judgment, to give them that choice.

How does that teaching take place? Do they see God? They certainly have a MUCH better chance of believing in life after death than the rest of us. Is it fair that they get more info to make this momentous decision than the rest of us do?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Your right. Life is complex, and it doesn't always fit into a math formula. Thanks. But it doesn't change the fact you still have the choice, just like any other human being on the planet.

But not an equal choice. If it is an equal choice then since there are at least 7 other major religions out there there is only a 14.2% chance I will choose Jesus and an 85.8% chance I won't. Hardly fair....

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Enoch what the hell are you teaching people? What book are you reading from, cause it isn't the bible. I don't want links to someone elses writing either I want you to show me in the bible that says you can teach someone in the after life.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

beaudrex yes those people will die forever more. Not an eternal toerment though. just 5 months...