Understanding Hell

[Beaudreaux]

beaudrex yes those people will die forever more. Not an eternal toerment though. just 5 months...

5 months?

 

[Enoch07]

How does that teaching take place? Do they see God? They certainly have a MUCH better chance of believing in life after death than the rest of us. Is it fair that they get more info to make this momentous decision than the rest of us do?

It is fair because we get the same option if we fall short. Teaching takes place by others. Some would call them Gods Elect. I would presume you get to see God because heaven is wherever God is. So if your in heaven you must be close to God.

 

[Beaudreaux]

It is fair because we get the same option if we fall short. Teaching takes place by others. Some would call them Gods Elect. I would presume you get to see God because heaven is wherever God is. So if your in heaven you must be close to God.

So EVERYone who dies not believing in Jesus will get this instruction before their judgement? If so...intrigueing....

 

[Enoch07]

So EVERYone who dies not believing in Jesus will get this instruction before their judgement? If so...intrigueing....

God might take exception to some folks. Like extreme sinners who kill, murder, rape and plunder extensively. But if you lived a decent life, you definitely up your chances.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

God might take exception to some folks. Like extreme sinners who kill, murder, rape and plunder extensively. But if you lived a decent life, you definitely up your chances.

What about excessively coveting my neighbor's donkey and wife? Does this fall under extreme sinning?

 

[Enoch07]

What about excessively coveting my neighbor's donkey and wife? Does this fall under extreme sinning?

hehe I am not God so I cannot make that call. But if I had to guess it could be forgiven if God chose to.

 

[Enoch07]

Enoch what the hell are you teaching people? What book are you reading from, cause it isn't the bible. I don't want links to someone elses writing either I want you to show me in the bible that says you can teach someone in the after life.

It is quite clear we follow different doctrines. Try to not judge me and I will do the same for you. I am simply giving people a different angle to view Christianity. A view that not many possess anymore nowadays.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Yes all get an equal chance. Just so happens that 95% of hindus become buddhist. Wow shocker. They still have the choice regardless. They still have the same odds of converting as any other race/religion. Either they will or they will not. Which is 50%. Just because the odds are 50% does not mean that 50% will be Christian. Could be 100% could be .1% in the end nobody knows, but everyone has that choice regardless.

You cannot be serious, are you a troll?

"Either they will or they will not, which is 50%." ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Are you honestly saying that a child born in Saudi Arabia has a 50% chance of becoming Christian and a child born in the USA has a 50% chance of being a Christian, just because they either will or wont? Ummm NEWSFLASH: THERE IS MORE THAN ONE RELIGION ON THE PLANET. Do they all have a 50% chance? Your logic is insane.

 

[Beaudreaux]

What about excessively coveting my neighbor's donkey and wife? Does this fall under extreme sinning?

I think I should get a pass on my neighbor's wife. You should SEE this broad. :drool:

 

[HoldemDB9]

So Enoch07 please clarify.

Do you believe that non-Christians can enter the "kingdom"?

Do you believe that those who had heard of Christianity, but did not believe, will get another chance after they die?

 

[Enoch07]

You cannot be serious, are you a troll?

"Either they will or they will not, which is 50%." ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Are you honestly saying that a child born in Saudi Arabia has a 50% chance of becoming Christian and a child born in the USA has a 50% chance of being a Christian, just because they either will or wont? Ummm NEWSFLASH: THERE IS MORE THAN ONE RELIGION ON THE PLANET. Do they all have a 50% chance? Your logic is insane.

Yes it is simple. I ask you again. And its the same question everyone is asked. Do you love God ? The only probable answers are Yes or No. There is no in between. You make things more complicated than they need to be. It does not matter how many religions are on this earth. Everyone still has the chance to convert at any point in time in their life.

You make it seem as if people cannot choose their religion. Is that your point?

 

[Beaudreaux]

You cannot be serious, are you a troll?

"Either they will or they will not, which is 50%." ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Are you honestly saying that a child born in Saudi Arabia has a 50% chance of becoming Christian and a child born in the USA has a 50% chance of being a Christian, just because they either will or wont? Ummm NEWSFLASH: THERE IS MORE THAN ONE RELIGION ON THE PLANET. Do they all have a 50% chance? Your logic is insane.

Oh it's true! A choice between doing something or not doing something is always 50% no matter what the choice is.

Try this experiment and you will see. Take a deck of 52 cards. Select one at random. Now, you will either choose the Ace of Spades or you will not. Again, a 50% chance you will and a 50% chance you won't. Record your selection and repeat the process 20 times. When you look at the results...YOU'LL see.

 

[Enoch07]

So Enoch07 please clarify.

Do you believe that non-Christians can enter the "kingdom"?

Do you believe that those who had heard of Christianity, but did not believe, will get another chance after they die?

I cannot say whether non-christians can enter the kingdom or not because that is what judgment is for. God is the only one who can judge. Therefore since I am not God I am not allowed to judge. It is the Lords discretion who enters or not.

Everyone gets that second chance after they die. There may be a few exceptions as far as truley sick individuals go. Serial killers, molesters etc. But that is up to God as well.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Oh it's true! A choice between doing something or not doing something is always 50% no matter what the choice is.

Try this experiment and you will see. Take a deck of 52 cards. Select one at random. Now, you will either choose the Ace of Spades or you will not. Again, a 50% chance you will and a 50% chance you won't. Record your selection and repeat the process 20 times. When you look at the results...YOU'LL see.

But your odds of picking the Ace of Spades are 1 in 52, or 1.9230769230769231%

 

[Just_me_Mike]

5 months?

Yes the bible says that twice. 153 days or 5 months.
After that, everything will be completely destroyed, and a new heaven and a new earth will be formed.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think I should get a pass on my neighbor's wife. You should SEE this broad. :drool:

I know what you mean - my neighbor has this donkey...YOWZA!!!

 

[HoldemDB9]

Yes it is simple. I ask you again. And its the same question everyone is asked. Do you love God ? The only probable answers are Yes or No. There is no in between. You make things more complicated than they need to be. It does not matter how many religions are on this earth. Everyone still has the chance to convert at any point in time in their life.

You make it seem as if people cannot choose their religion. Is that your point?

No that is not my point. My point is that not all have an equal chance of choosing Christianity, because they are influenced by their family, surrounding, country, etc. My point is proved by the fact that ~75% of Americans are Christian, 85% of Indians are Hindu and 95% of Saudi Arabians are Muslim. THIS SHOWS THAT NOT ALL GET AN EQUAL CHANCE TO BECOME CHRISTIAN.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

Ill say it three more times, now read slowly.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

Understand now? It really isn't hard.

A child born in India has a choice to become Christian or not become Christian. A child born in the USA has a choice to become Christian or not Christian. Yes, they both have a choice. Yes they both have a chance. But this is not equal, since their surroundings are not equal and they are going to be influenced by their surroundings. If someone in Saudi Arabia decided one day that they wanted to turn to God, then they would most likely become Muslim. If someone in the USA one day decided that they wanted to follow God, then they would probably become a Christian. Get it now?

Now what influences them is not their choice, therefore it is unfair.

 

[Enoch07]

No that is not my point. My point is that not all have an equal chance of choosing Christianity, because they are influenced by their family, surrounding, country, etc. My point is proved by the fact that ~75% of Americans are Christian, 85% of Indians are Hindu and 95% of Saudi Arabians are Muslim. THIS SHOWS THAT NOT ALL GET AN EQUAL CHANCE TO BECOME CHRISTIAN.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

Ill say it three more times, now read slowly.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

YES THEY HAVE A CHANCE BUT NOT AN EQUAL CHANCE.

Understand now? It really isn't hard.

A child born in India has a choice to become Christian or not become Christian. A child born in the USA has a choice to become Christian or not Christian. Yes, they both have a choice. Yes they both have a chance. But this is not equal, since their surroundings are not equal and they are going to be influenced by their surroundings. If someone in Saudi Arabia decided one day that they wanted to turn to God, then they would most likely become Muslim. If someone in the USA one day decided that they wanted to follow God, then they would probably become a Christian. Get it now?

Now what influences them is not their choice, therefore it is unfair.

You fail to realize that people just don't up and convert. They feel that something is wrong with their religion and go elsewhere. There are plenty of other religions here in the U.S that are not Christian based. If your theory was true there would be little to no Pagans here in the U.S. But it isn't. The Pagans are quite a bit more in number than you would expect. Most just don't broadcast it. (I dated a Pagan for 5 years I know the culture).

 

[HoldemDB9]

You fail to realize that people just don't up and convert. They feel that something is wrong with their religion and go elsewhere. There are plenty of other religions here in the U.S that are not Christian based. If your theory was true there would be little to no Pagans here in the U.S. But it isn't. The Pagans are quite a bit more in number than you would expect. Most just don't broadcast it. (I dated a Pagan for 5 years I know the culture).

My "theory"? MY THEORY???

ARE YOU INSANE?

Yeah it's "just my theory" that the percentages say that not all get an equal chance to become Christian. Wrong. Its an undeniable fact.

Anyway I don't believe that someone who can go on the internet and sign up to a forum is this dumb. I don't know why I wasted my time arguing with someone over percentages, when they cannot even do math that a 5 year old is capable of.

good day troll.

 

[Enoch07]

It is not an undeniable fact. You just choose to see it that way. Its obvious you refuse to see the world in any other way then your little %'s, and if that's your choice then so be it.