Understanding Hell

[HoldemDB9]

It is not an undeniable fact. You just choose to see it that way. Its obvious you refuse to see the world in any other way then your little %'s, and if that's your choice then so be it.

My little %'s??? Oh wow.

So do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country? Yes or no.

And for once will you please just answer with a yes or a no.

Ill tell you again since this how it seems one can get through to you...

Will you please just answer with a yes or a no to the question - Do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

My little %'s??? Oh wow.

So do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country? Yes or no.

And for once will you please just answer with a yes or a no.

Ill tell you again since this how it seems one can get through to you...

Will you please just answer with a yes or a no to the question - Do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country?

It is quite logical to follow the style of ones country, unless you are just an outcast or rebel! I'll answer for him

 

[darkmage121]

It doesn't matter anyway. Nobody is going to hell. Eventually, we will all come to rest in the Summerland. The Mother Moon Goddess and the Earthly Father God will greet us and our destiny lies there. It will be their choice on what joys/punishment the Summerland grants us.

- Wicca / Book of Shadows

 

[Enoch07]

My little %'s??? Oh wow.

So do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country? Yes or no.

And for once will you please just answer with a yes or a no.

Ill tell you again since this how it seems one can get through to you...

Will you please just answer with a yes or a no to the question - Do you just believe its a coincidence that people are following the mainstream religion of their country?

No. Its not a coincidence.

But you have to remember even if they don't have the chance here on earth then they still have the chance after death, but before judgment. So that everyone is treated fairly.

 

[Beaudreaux]

But your odds of picking the Ace of Spades are 1 in 52, or 1.9230769230769231%

Well, it may SEEM that way to you with your complicated, citified mathematics. But the fact of the matter is I will either pick the Ace of Spades or I won't. Two outcomes. 50/50.

Now I tried this and I must have had one of them newfangled, mathematical mumbo jumbo decks because I didn't get the Ace of Spades once. STILL!!! I refuse to budge on this point.

 

[Beaudreaux]

It is not an undeniable fact. You just choose to see it that way. Its obvious you refuse to see the world in any other way then your little %'s, and if that's your choice then so be it.

Dude, I agree. Let's prove him wrong! You never did respond to my offer that would shut him and his cohorts up for good. Let me pick 10 indian babies and we will follow them through to adulthood. For each one that chooses Christianity, I will give you $1,000. For each one that does not, you will give me $1,000. We will totally break even and shut this guy up for good! Sound like a plan?

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

For many years I have had a problem with following a God that would allow people he created to suffer an eternity in a place called hell. However, in recent times I understood the greater truth to this place called hell.
When we study the bible and look at the original words used, we find that hell is actually used many places in the bible as grave. When we think of people who will not go to heaven, any person honest with themselves will feel some contempt for the idea that these souls will be suffering for eternity. The fact is, they will not be suffering at all. The bible speaks in parables, and as a parable we must understand these ideas.
So if this is new to any of you and you would like better clarification, I can and will redirect you to the bible and how this truth has been revealed. Those who do not go to heaven will in fact just stop existing, and the eternal damnation spoken of in the bible is just a reference to the fact that these souls will never ever again for eternity have a chance to live their life.
After I understood this many of the passages of the bible began to make sense. This also relieves the idea that God is a being that would allow eternal torture.

Look forward to discussing with you...

Mat [10:28] Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

please explain which "hell" did Jesus ment?

and why should we be afraid?

 

[Enoch07]

Dude, I agree. Let's prove him wrong! You never did respond to my offer that would shut him and his cohorts up for good. Let me pick 10 indian babies and we will follow them through to adulthood. For each one that chooses Christianity, I will give you $1,000. For each one that does not, you will give me $1,000. We will totally break even and shut this guy up for good! Sound like a plan?

Wow what kind of world do you live in that people are only worth $1000 each to you?

 

[HoldemDB9]

No. Its not a coincidence.

THERE YOU GO. GIVE YOURSELF A CLAP!

You got it. You've just said that it is not just a coincidence. Therefore you are saying that people are influenced by their surroundings. Therefore you are saying that it is not a fair chance and not a fair choice, which was my point all along.

But you have to remember even if they don't have the chance here on earth then they still have the chance after death, but before judgment. So that everyone is treated fairly.

How many times have you said this, and I have told you that this is NOT about those who did not have a chance here on earth, it is about those who had a SMALLER chance.

Now it is not fair on a child born in Saudi Arabia because by the end of their lifetime they will most likely be Muslim, do you agree with this? YES, they have a chance to become Christian. YES, they have a choice to become Christian. But it is not a fair chance and it is not a fair choice, since they are influenced by a Muslim environment.

Do you agree now that people who had a chance here on earth, can get another chance when they die to make things FAIR?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Mat [10:28] Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

please explain which "hell" did Jesus ment?

and why should we be afraid?

This is simply stating that if you value the life tht has been given to you, and you want to preserve it forever, that you need to be worried about the one who gave it to you. So instead of worrying about the things of this world that can kill your body, be worried about him who can permantly extinguish you forever.

It really boils down to whether or not you want to stay a live forever. For me when I hold my kids or my wife, and love them and they me, I can't imagine not wanting that forever. Though there is no guarentee we will make it to heaven I pray for it.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Wow what kind of world do you live in that people are only worth $1000 each to you?

Gotcha.



........$2,000 each?

 

[Enoch07]

I was saying that human life is priceless. Just in a nice way. But you somehow feel the need to put a value on peoples life as if they was some play thing to you.

 

[HoldemDB9]

I was saying that human life is priceless. Just in a nice way. But you somehow feel the need to put a value on peoples life as if they was some play thing to you.

He wasn't putting a price on human life, stop trying to avoid the question like you always do. Simple, would you make the bet or not?

And my question which you have not answered - Now that you accept that not all get an equal chance in this life to become Christian, do you agree that people who had a chance here on earth, can get another chance when they die to make things FAIR?

 

[Beaudreaux]

I was saying that human life is priceless. Just in a nice way. But you somehow feel the need to put a value on peoples life as if they was some play thing to you.

No, no! You misunderstand me. I am offering to show that you are correct about this fair choice thing. Either the Indian child will choose Jesus or he/she will not. As you say, that's a 50/50 chance. So, let's show these fools who don't understand by putting some money on it. It's not like I think $1,000 is the price of a life. It's just a way to show them that you really believe what you're saying. And when we break even, boy will THEY look stupid.

 

[Enoch07]

Beau I will not play your lil game, in order to prove a point. I stand by what I said without having to place a value on someone. Holdem I have answered your questions 100 times you refuse to except the answer because it means you can't blame God or anyone else for your own misgivings. Grow a pair and accept responsibility for your actions here on earth instead of searching for a way to blame anyone else but yourself.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Beau I will not play your lil game, in order to prove a point.

It is not a "little game" and you know it. Its just a question, now answer. Scared of how stupid you will look or something? Don't worry, you've got no reputation to protect. "Everyone has a %50 chance of becoming Christian", oh God, I really hope your joking.

I stand by what I said without having to place a value on someone. Holdem I have answered your questions 100 times you refuse to except the answer because it means you can't blame God or anyone else for your own misgivings. Grow a pair and accept responsibility for your actions here on earth instead of searching for a way to blame anyone else but yourself.

You cannot be this stupid. You have already accepted that not everyone in this life will get an equal chance to become Christian, YOU HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED THIS.

Now since you have said that not all get an equal chance in this life, that makes it unfair. Unless God gives them another chance after they die. So, do you believe that God gives non-Christians another chance after they die or not? Simple question.

Sad how far people will go even when they have been proved wrong. Don't you have any respect for yourself, do you realize how pathetic you look right now?

 

[Enoch07]

I will not repeat myself anymore. I gave you the answers you just refuse to accept them deal with it. And btw welcome to ignore troll.

 

[HoldemDB9]

I will not repeat myself anymore. I gave you the answers you just refuse to accept them deal with it.

I dont know how you dare say that you have answered my questions. This is what you have said so far...

"I believe that all get an equal chance to become Christian in this life."

"I know that the vast majority of people end up following the mainstream religion of their country."

"I do not believe that this is a coincidence."

Well if it is not a coincidence then what is it?

 

[HoldemDB9]

I will not repeat myself anymore. I gave you the answers you just refuse to accept them deal with it. And btw welcome to ignore troll.

Troll?!!

Oh wow, your funny. Typical - Christian gets proved wrong, Christian gets shown how their beliefs are logically flawed, so the Christian stops replying.

I don't know why though, most stop responding so that they don't embarrass themselves and look stupid. But you already look just about as stupid as one can. You have not answered plenty of my, and others, questions. I have shown you how your beliefs are contradictory, illogical and how they make zero sense whatsoever. I have proved to you how you are wrong and its undeniable. So you stop responding. By far the highest level of ignorance I have seen in my entire life.

 

[darkmage121]

HoldemDB9, I agree with you fully. I use to be a Roman-Catholic myself until I finally started to open my mind and learn. I now whole-heartily follow the path of Wicca.